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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It must take an awful lot of current ! I
charged a pak once at 5C and when the charger indicated "Charge Done" the pak
was like an Ice cube. There is even a battery vendor now that is
recommending 5C charge rates.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Take an old pak and experiment and see how far you
need to go to generate excessive heat. I don't know if it's going to
happen?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=joddino@socal.rr.com href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">James
Oddino</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 20, 2009 1:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New
fast charge battery</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I don't know for sure but I would guess it depends on how much
heat is generated. With lower internal resistance it could be a push
(10C on the new batteries might be equivalent to 1C on our present state of
the art packs).
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<DIV>Jim</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Dave wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The faster you
charge, the fewer the cycles you get!! Figure cycle life is reduced by
about 50% at 3C charge rates.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Stuart
Chale<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March
19, 2009 6:48 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
New fast charge battery</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The key in my mind as we already have enough power
in a makable weight for a new set of batteries, is the number of cycles you
can get. It the new technology gets us 200 cycles before degradation
then I'll take 2 :) Don't need three any more because they charge
faster.<BR>Stuart<BR><BR>Ed Alt wrote: <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is very
straightforward. The ideal battery is one that has 0 ohms internal
resistance and infinite current delivery capability. This new
technology gets you somewhat closer to that ideal. All it means is
that it minimizes power losses due to much lower internal resistance, and
reduces limitations that are placed on the performance of the thing you are
powering with it. Even the ideal battery can only deliver as much
current into the load as that device will draw based on its own resistance
(actually impedance, but we'll keep it simple) Doesn't matter whether it is
a motor, a light bulb or whatever. It's all
good...</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=khoard@gmail.com href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com"
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">General pattern discussion</A>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:15 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New fast charge
battery<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">How good would these batteries work in my glow
starter?. . .<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2009/3/19 Ed Alt <<A
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moz-do-not-send="true">ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">No way! That is simply
evidence that your paint needs to be
upgraded!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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title=trexlesh@msn.com href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" target=_blank
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank
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Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:33 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New fast charge
battery<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Now I'm just guessing here.... I'm
thinking that if you throttle up and the paint<BR>strips off the fuse,
that's probably a bit too
much!<BR> <BR>Rex<BR> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From: <A href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">joddino@socal.rr.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Date:
Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:10:06 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
New fast charge battery<BR><BR>I used to say that an engine is a machine
that doesn't make enough power. Now I say a motor is also a
machine that doesn't make enough power.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jim<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:29 AM, J N Hiller
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">Hay
Rex how much power do you need? You can do a vertical ROG
now.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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