<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I don't know for sure but I would guess it depends on how much heat is generated. With lower internal resistance it could be a push (10C on the new batteries might be equivalent to 1C on our present state of the art packs).<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Dave wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; color:black;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; color:black;} pre {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"> <div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The faster you charge, the fewer the cycles you get!! Figure cycle life is reduced by about 50% at 3C charge rates.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:windowtext"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Stuart Chale<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:48 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:personname><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New fast charge battery</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The key in my mind as we already have enough power in a makable weight for a new set of batteries, is the number of cycles you can get. It the new technology gets us 200 cycles before degradation then I'll take 2 :) Don't need three any more because they charge faster.<br> Stuart<br> <br> Ed Alt wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">This is very straightforward. The ideal battery is one that has 0 ohms internal resistance and infinite current delivery capability. This new technology gets you somewhat closer to that ideal. All it means is that it minimizes power losses due to much lower internal resistance, and reduces limitations that are placed on the performance of the thing you are powering with it. Even the ideal battery can only deliver as much current into the load as that device will draw based on its own resistance (actually impedance, but we'll keep it simple) Doesn't matter whether it is a motor, a light bulb or whatever. It's all good...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Ed</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal; background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y: 50%"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" title="khoard@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Keith Hoard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">To:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:15 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New fast charge battery<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">How good would these batteries work in my glow starter?. . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2009/3/19 Ed Alt <<a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial">No way! That is simply evidence that your paint needs to be upgraded!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal;-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;-moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y: 50%"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" target="_blank" title="trexlesh@msn.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Rex</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">To:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">NSRCA-discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New fast charge battery<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Now I'm just guessing here.... I'm thinking that if you throttle up and the paint<br> strips off the fuse, that's probably a bit too much!<br> <br> Rex<br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: <a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joddino@socal.rr.com</a><br> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:10:06 -0700<br> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: New fast charge battery<br> <br> I used to say that an engine is a machine that doesn't make enough power. Now I say a motor is also a machine that doesn't make enough power. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:29 AM, J N Hiller wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;word-spacing:0px">Hay Rex how much power do you need? You can do a vertical ROG now.</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Jim</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </blockquote> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br> _______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br> <br clear="all"> <br> -- <br> <br> Keith Hoard<br> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Collierville</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">TN</st1:state></st1:place><br> <a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">khoard@gmail.com</a><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre style="text-align:center"><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <hr size="4" width="90%" align="center"> </span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div> </div> _______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>