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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>O.K., this has gone far afield since I originally started
the discussion. But, I believe it has blown away some of the smoke I had
seen obscuring the subject/problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If the airplane lands in the Landing Zone, (LZ) I will
watch it for only the first 50 ft.and judge on that only. (That was never
my real question, but just for clarification.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In the event the Landing Zone has been declared to be the
entire mowed portion or some portion thereof, should the plane land at the far
end of the strip, it will still be judged on the first 50 ft. of roll out, and,
if it becomes entangled in the long grass, making it swerve, for example, it
will be a downgrade. If, for any reason, (including being in the rough;
doesn't matter the reason) it should end up on it's back, it will be a
zero. Nosing over, ground looping, hooking a wing, etc. will be cause for
a downgrade. If it lands outside the LZ, but within the LA, it will be a
downgrade, unless, within the first 50 ft. it should finish on it's back,
(mandatory 0) or ground loop, or hook a wing, or nose over, but not turn over,
it will be a downgrade based on the severity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>At least, that's my impression<G> Thanks for
y'all's patience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:59
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings
and Takeoffs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>test<BR> <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A><BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:45:34 -0800<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Landings and Takeoffs<BR>> <BR>> Maybe I am too dense for this but I
don't understand how you do that. I've<BR>> seen may just go to full
throttle and grab a handful of up elevator and hope<BR>> for the best,
often over the pits.<BR>> Jim.<BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Matthew<BR>>
Frederick<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:08 PM<BR>> To: General
pattern discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and
Takeoffs<BR>> <BR>> Oh, I meant the crosswind, but landings too<BR>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "J N Hiller"
<jnhiller@earthlink.net><BR>> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009
9:21 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> > Right throttle is used to control climb and decent. I
have even set some<BR>> > up<BR>> > elevator mix on non-flap
equipped models to reduce the speed on final. The<BR>> > yaw and wind
drift are what need constant attention.<BR>> > Jim<BR>> ><BR>>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Matthew<BR>>
> Frederick<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:48 PM<BR>> >
To: General pattern discussion<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Landings and Takeoffs<BR>> ><BR>> > No argument here... I manage
that with throttle only...<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
> From: "J N Hiller" <jnhiller@earthlink.net><BR>> > To: "NSRCA
Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> > Sent:
Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:14 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Landings and Takeoffs<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> I've seen a
lot of what you are talking about. IMAC airplanes are much<BR>> >>
like<BR>> >> pattern airplanes although less forgiving of pilot
error.<BR>> >> Cubs are scale airplanes also and making an on-line
takeoff and landing<BR>> >> including climb-out and final in a
quartering or crosswind with a high<BR>> >> wing<BR>> >>
scale airplane is probably the most difficult and attention demanding<BR>>
>> thing<BR>> >> an RC pilot can do. Cross controlling on the
ground is needed and the<BR>> >> pilot<BR>> >> needs to
transition to an upwind yaw as the wheels leave the ground to<BR>> >>
hold<BR>> >> the line during climb-out. Cross controlling needs to be
reapplied just<BR>> >> before touchdown to prevent a downwind roll
with rudder as airplane<BR>> >> steered<BR>> >> along the
centerline. It really is fun requiring nearly maximum use of<BR>> >>
the<BR>> >> old processor. Flying a pattern airplane in a crosswind
is a piece of<BR>> >> cake<BR>> >> by comparison.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> Jim<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John<BR>>
>> Pavlick<BR>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:21
PM<BR>> >> To: General pattern discussion<BR>> >> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >><BR>> >> OK, maybe that should only apply to
some of the warbird guys in my club.<BR>> >> I<BR>> >>
forgot, IMAC birds are "scale" too. :)<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >><BR>> >> John Pavlick<BR>>
>><BR>> >> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, J N Hiller
<jnhiller@earthlink.net> wrote:<BR>> >><BR>> >> From:
J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><BR>> >> Subject: RE:
[NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs<BR>> >> To:
jpavlick@idseng.com, "General pattern discussion"<BR>> >>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> >> Date: Tuesday, March
3, 2009, 7:30 PM<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Hay, now
I'm offended. Not all scale pilots have wild takeoffs.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> Jim<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
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