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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Notice, I said kind-of because I know there are
guys who represent countries that hardly fly...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:14
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From what I've seen most F3A competitors do some
pretty sweet landings anyway... Makes me sick whenever I watch Bryan Hebert
land... Hell, when he's practicing for the Nats he only cuts about a 50x15
rectangle in our runway so he has enough room to work (he's the only one who
flies during the week)... But I completely understand where Jason's coming
from on the time limits, plus at that level the landing and takeoffs are
kind-of a given...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>We have 8 minutes. As of now we finish
our flights after the 7 min mark. To get scored on t/o and landing, we would
need to try... and also take the time on landing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
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<A title=schale@optonline.net href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">Stuart
Chale</A> </DIV>
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Landings and Takeoffs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You (FAI) still have to take off and land. How much
longer would it take to make a pretty take off and landing instead of what
you do now. I suspect the landing would be the same as you still
have to slow down to landing speed :) The takeoff may take what 3 or
4 seconds more to fly smoothly to 2 meters before turning somewhere?
Keep the time limit as it is on the flying portion and just score the
takeoff and landings 1 to 10.<BR>Done :)<BR><BR>J Shu wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Because it takes time to make a
perfect take-off and landing, and currently the time stops after the
half roll after the 45-downs. We wouldn't have enough time unless the
time limit was raised.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com"
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs</DIV>
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<DIV>Why would FAI have less time for scored TO's/L's than any other
class? With the exception of Sportsman (and possibly
Intermediate), FAI flys the shortest sequence. Masters in
particular takes way longer.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jerry </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:25 AM, "J Shu" <<A
href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I'm certainly not THE expert...
I'm just going by my observations of pattern now to pattern when I
was a kid. Like Stuart said, nothing beat a nose high take-off or
landing down the centerline... and not many could do it. At least
back then the only planes I remember running from weren't pattern
planes, but scale planes!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I used to always lose bets with
my brother for the best take-off and landings cause his Ugly Stick
was the perfect plane for that. He would line it up on the center
line and roll down the runway, lift the nose just before the judges
and break ground just after... 10. And then do the same thing for
landing and get 10's there too. But his loops always ended up in the
next county so I won the flying bets. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>FAI doesn't need to have scored
take-offs and landings... we don't have time for it. But I don't see
why AMA shouldn't be scored (and taught) on take-offs and landings.
If you're a good pilot, then these should be freebie points for the
taking. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=5>There you have it from THE
expert !!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I'd much rather see
take-offs and landings be judged. What's the incentive of
having a pilot learn how to learn a proper (and safe) take-off
and landing if there is no 10 to shoot for? And not a 0 or 10,
but scored. Just because it wouldn't be scored doesn't make a
pilot try and make a safe take-off or landing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
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<DIV>I agree, TO's and Landings shouldn't be judged. Add
one turn around and center maneuver to the classes that
score them. Exit the box down wind then they can make a
180 to landing.</DIV>
<DIV>Tim<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 3/2/09, George W.Kennie
<I><<A href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net"
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George W.Kennie <<A
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moz-do-not-send="true">geobet4@verizon.net</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:44 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I think that dropping the
scoring of TOs and LGs with the intent of
reducing risk will be only minimally effective.
There are always going to be individuals who will
experience difficulty with crossing winds, turbulance,
ineptitude, whatever, no matter how many times they go
around. I can think of individuals who would include
me in the group.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>G.</FONT> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You make
a good argument for dropping takeoff and landing
scoring. I have aborted landings more than
once.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=inherit
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: inherit">I'll
say it here, JMHO. I personally don't think
takeoffs and landings should be judged. These
are the maneuvers that put the plane closest to
the pilots/judges/spectators. I've seen some bad
takeoffs and landing approaches pushed
to dangerous situations when they would
probably have been aborted had they not been
scored maneuvers. At the very least, the
airplane is at risk. At the most, people are at
risk. I've had one plane fly behind my head at
the Nats (between myself, my caller, and the
judges) during a landing when the plane got away
from the pilot during one such occurance. I've
also seen a plane slam into a person in the pits
at full throttle, just after lifting off the
ground, when the plane first veered away from
the pits and the pilot forced the takeoff by
kicking rudder to get it back on the runway. At
no point did he back off the throttle. In most
situations such as this, anyone would have
aborted and started over, but because they are
being judged they keep on pushing a bad
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: inherit">And,
no, niether situation involved someone in the
Sportsman or Intermediate classes. These were
both contestants that had flown pattern for
several years. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=inherit
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thank god they don't judge takeoffs and landings
in IMAC.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=inherit
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On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mon,
3/2/09, George W.Kennie <I><SPAN
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<DIV id=yiv297695904>I don't feel the same way
as John on the landing maneuver being relegated
to a non-skill element. <FONT face=inherit
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aerobatic maneuvers that we perform
competitively require that we demonstrate to a
judge that we have developed some precise degree
of control over the airframe under our command.
To achieve this control further requires intense
concentration on the part of the pilot. I would
offer that there are many airborne maneuvers
where the degree of concentration required by
the pilot are significantly lower than that
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confident control. This is a skill that is
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