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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If we are at the end of the TO/L, is the
Snap discussion next? <VBG><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>FWIW I prefer scored landings 0 thru 10…Helps
me focus on perfecting my landing. I still see it, and this perception has been
around awhile, that a Pattern Pilot is almost always associated to the perfect
or greased landings. I’m still working on it…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:23
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Thanks for the enlightenment. However, with the diversity of
opinions, one never knows. Isn't it possible to put up a sign? Bill</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" title="khoard@gmail.com">Keith Hoard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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thuuu-uu-thuuu-thhhhuuuuu. . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte <<a
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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I'm afraid he must have hurt himself. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:22 AM, billglaze wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>With all due respect, (and I have an idea that lots of folks may do it
your way, occasionally,) for years we have been trying to get around the
"impression" aspect of judging, It's hard to do, but that's
why, (I believe) we have such detailed maneuver descriptions in the
rules. (Again, my idea.) If this impression judging is extended, it
could, in theory, be used for all judged maneuvers by some folks. Or so
it seems to me. I understand the difficulty, and perhaps impossibility,
of absolutely tying down each and every little thing. I doubt, in fact,
that it's possible. But I feel that we should still try; each attempt
brings us a little closer to the absolute.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt'>The above is purely my opinion, and is subject to being revoked without
notice!<G></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="khoard@gmail.com">Keith
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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2009 11:06 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would just give a score
based on my IMPRESSION of the landing. . . it it looks good, then a 9 - 9.5 -
or 10 depending on how I felt the pilots flight went prior to the landing and
other previous flights I have judged.<br>
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If anyone presses me afterward, I will just claim the "smooth and
graceful" clause in the AMA rulebook. . . that covers everything!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:36 AM, billglaze <<a
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">billglaze@bellsouth.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>There are times when for one reason or another, the field is unmarked
with a landing zone, and the CD announces that the LZ is the entire runway,
making the LZ and the LA the same. That's what leads to doubt in
judging landings. At least in my case, and, apparently, other folks
also. And, like Georgie, I've also seen the 2 meter requirement mentioned;
can't put my finger on it right now, but I've seen it in some official
document.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="donramsey@gmail.com">Don
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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2009 9:44 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I just check all the PowerPoint presentations on the
website and they all say the same thing. LANDING AREA: the entire defined
runway. LANDING ZONE is 30 m long and normally the width of the runway
BUT not more than 30 M wide. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Georgie, the landing never has been required to be within
2 meters of center for maximum points. As long as I was judging chairman
(and before) it was 30 meters centered on the judges. Landing in that
area could score max points. (The takeoff should lift off within 2 meters of
center for max points).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There is a lot of times when the aircraft may stop within
10 meters after landing and there are many times when it may not. For
instance, grass runway with high grass or a smooth cement runway and no
wind. The intent of the rule was to allow max points for either case.
I’ve flown in some contests where if you landed in the landing zone (for
max points) it was almost impossible to keep the plane from exiting the end of
the runway. Solution: land about 10 meters before center, roll 10 meters and be
finished, then don’t worry about running off the end.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>George W.Kennie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 02, 2009 11:23
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Questions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'># 2
screw-up !!!! It's not "roll to a stop within 15
meters", it's 10 meters, but the "stop" is still the
elementle crux, I think. If it says " no downgrade if the model
rolls to a stop within 10 meters" doesn't that infer that if the
model continues to roll beyond that distance it becomews a downgradeable
offence (1/2pt +)?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>And if
it's not a centered maneuver, where'd we come up with the axiom "
for maximum landing points, touchdown should occur < 2 meters either side of
the centerline"? Is that FAI ? Did I make it up? Am I totally
losing it? How the heck is anyone expected to keep all this stuff straight?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cut and
pasted from the AMA website this morning:<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Landing: </span></b>The landing maneuver will
be scored in half point increments from 10 to 0. The maneuver will start two
(2) meters from the ground. The model flares smoothly to a nose high altitude,
dissipating flying speed, and then smoothly touches the ground, within the
landing zone. The maneuver should be considered <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>complete once the plane has slowed below flying speed and rolled 10
meters or comes to a stop and no further downgrades shall be applied after that
point</span></b>. <br>
The landing zone shall be marked by lines placed perpendicular across the
runway and spaced 30 meters apart. The width of the landing zone is normally
the width of the runway but in no case shall exceed 30 meters. <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Landing is not a centered maneuver and there is no
downgrade for displacement of the touchdown point left or right from center as
long as the landing is in the landing zone.</span></b> If the touchdown is
within the runway but not in the landing zone it should be downgraded
proportionate to the distance outside the landing zone. The Contest Director
may designate any landing zone appropriate to the field if safety
considerations dictate. If the landing zone is anything other than standard it
should be thoroughly discussed with the pilots and judges before flying is
started and no downgrade shall be applied due to the touchdown in the
non-standard landing zone. <br>
</span></font>Emphasis added by me. This of course for AMA classes.<font
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:23 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>This is
probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has responded to your inquiry
so just to prove that I have not learned my lesson, here goes. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>In the
landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if the model rolls
to a stop within 15 meters". I think the crucial word is STOP
! What does this mean to proper execution? How many
times have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one meter of the center
line and then proceed to roll perfectly straight down the center of the runway
without a single bounce for a distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe,
but to most observers, a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within
15 meters" stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable
offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also
control the approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just above stall speed
controlling the rollout distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I
think this would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>If the
pilot performs a landing and meets all the above requirements and then
encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a hummock or whatever, I
would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond the pilot's
control" and score a 10. Flipovers usually occur as a result of
either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment malfunction (
stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on the part of
the scorer.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>And yup,
I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse
at the same altitude. I think that needs correcting. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Of
course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and should be so
received.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>At the
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I've been
reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and I'd like a question
answered that I've had for a long time.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On
landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic zero? I've
felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had people tell me "after
50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost interest in the
airplane." It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it doesn't affect
the score, is their idea. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Also, if
it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls immediately into what
awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the landing zeroed? I've been
called for doing so once.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Secondly,
in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states for the Split S:
A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the same altitude. Seems to
me to be an error that slipped by, but I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes,
it's happened!)<G> I've been known to incorrectly read/interpret
also. Standing by for the more knowledgeable brains on the list!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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