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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#1F497D'>I just read the rule on takeoff and see where it might cause
some confusion.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The intent of the
takeoff rule was for the model to lift off within 2 of center (that’s centered
on the judges).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Budd
Engineering<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>IIRC
the reference to 2 meters is for when there is a runway centerline in use, not
to whether the TO/landing is centered on the pilot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Jerry<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><br>
On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:36 AM, "billglaze" <<a
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Don:</span><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>There
are times when for one reason or another, the field is unmarked with a landing
zone, and the CD announces that the LZ is the entire runway, making the LZ and
the LA the same. That's what leads to doubt in judging
landings. At least in my case, and, apparently, other folks also.
And, like Georgie, I've also seen the 2 meter requirement mentioned; can't put
my finger on it right now, but I've seen it in some official document.</span><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Bill
Glaze</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> <a href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com"
title="donramsey@gmail.com">Don Ramsey</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I just
check all the PowerPoint presentations on the website and they all say the same
thing.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>LANDING AREA: the entire defined
runway.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>LANDING ZONE is 30 m long and
normally the width of the runway BUT not more than 30 M wide. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Georgie,
the landing never has been required to be within 2 meters of center for maximum
points.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>As long as I was judging
chairman (and before) it was 30 meters centered on the judges.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Landing in that area could score max points.
(The takeoff should lift off within 2 meters of center for max points).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There
is a lot of times when the aircraft may stop within 10 meters after landing and
there are many times when it may not.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>For instance, grass runway with high grass or a smooth cement runway and
no wind.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The intent of the rule was to
allow max points for either case. I’ve flown in some contests where if you
landed in the landing zone (for max points) it was almost impossible to keep
the plane from exiting the end of the runway. Solution: land about 10 meters
before center, roll 10 meters and be finished, then don’t worry about running
off the end.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Don</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>George W.Kennie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 02, 2009 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'># 2 screw-up !!!! It's not "roll to a stop
within 15 meters", it's 10 meters, but the "stop" is still
the elementle crux, I think. If it says " no downgrade if the model
rolls to a stop within 10 meters" doesn't that infer that if the
model continues to roll beyond that distance it becomews a downgradeable offence
(1/2pt +)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>And if it's not a centered maneuver, where'd we come up with
the axiom " for maximum landing points, touchdown should occur <
2 meters either side of the centerline"? Is that FAI ?</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Did I make it up? Am I totally
losing it? How the heck is anyone expected to keep all this stuff straight?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> <a href="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com"
title="jlkonn@hotmail.com">John Konneker</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Discussion List</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> Monday, March
02, 2009 11:32 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Cut and pasted from the AMA website this morning:<br>
<b>Landing: </b></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>The landing maneuver will be scored in half point increments
from 10 to 0. The maneuver will start two (2) meters from the ground. The model
flares smoothly to a nose high altitude, dissipating flying speed, and then
smoothly touches the ground, within the landing zone. The maneuver should be
considered <strong>complete once the plane has slowed below flying speed and
rolled 10 meters or comes to a stop and no further downgrades shall be applied
after that point</strong>. <br>
The landing zone shall be marked by lines placed perpendicular across the
runway and spaced 30 meters apart. The width of the landing zone is normally
the width of the runway but in no case shall exceed 30 meters. <strong>Landing
is not a centered maneuver and there is no downgrade for displacement of the
touchdown point left or right from center as long as the landing is in the
landing zone.</strong> If the touchdown is within the runway but not in the
landing zone it should be downgraded proportionate to the distance outside the
landing zone. The Contest Director may designate any landing zone appropriate
to the field if safety considerations dictate. If the landing zone is anything
other than standard it should be thoroughly discussed with the pilots and
judges before flying is started and no downgrade shall be applied due to the
touchdown in the non-standard landing zone. <br>
</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Emphasis added
by me. This of course for AMA classes.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>
JLK<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>From: <a href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">geobet4@verizon.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:23 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Bill,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else
has responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned my
lesson, here goes. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down
grade if the model rolls to a stop within 15 meters". I think
the crucial word is STOP ! What does this mean to proper
execution? How many times have you seen a plane touch down
perfectly within one meter of the center line and then proceed to roll
perfectly straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for a
distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe, but to most observers, a
beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters"
stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable offence. Sounds,
to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also control the approach
airspeed so that touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling the
rollout distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this
would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above
requirements and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a
hummock or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond
the pilot's control" and score a 10. Flipovers usually occur as a
result of either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment
malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on
the part of the scorer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to
enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs
correcting. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of
matters and should be so received.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>G.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Times New Roman"'>At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint
presentation, and I'd like a question answered that I've had for a long time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an
automatic zero? I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had
people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost interest
in the airplane." It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it doesn't
affect the score, is their idea. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls
immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the landing
zeroed? I've been called for doing so once.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Times New Roman"'>Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it
states for the Split S: A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the
same altitude. Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but I've been
wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G> I've been known to
incorrectly read/interpret also. Standing by for the more knowledgeable
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