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<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for the enlightenment. However, with the
diversity of opinions, one never knows. Isn't it possible to put up a
sign? Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:48
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<DIV><BR></DIV>thuu, thuuu, thuuu-uu-thuuu-thhhhuuuuu. . . .<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV>Keith's tongue was so far in his cheek when he wrote that last e-mail,
I'm afraid he must have hurt himself.
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<DIV>Ron</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:22 AM, billglaze wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Keith:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>With all due respect, (and I have an idea that lots of
folks may do it your way, occasionally,) for years we have been
trying to get around the "impression" aspect of judging, It's hard
to do, but that's why, (I believe) we have such detailed maneuver
descriptions in the rules. (Again, my idea.) If this
impression judging is extended, it could, in theory, be used for all
judged maneuvers by some folks. Or so it seems to me. I
understand the difficulty, and perhaps impossibility, of absolutely tying
down each and every little thing. I doubt, in fact, that it's
possible. But I feel that we should still try; each attempt brings
us a little closer to the absolute.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The above is purely my opinion, and is subject to being
revoked without notice!<G></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>I would just give a score based on my IMPRESSION of the
landing. . . it it looks good, then a 9 - 9.5 - or 10 depending on how I
felt the pilots flight went prior to the landing and other previous
flights I have judged.<BR><BR>If anyone presses me afterward, I will
just claim the "smooth and graceful" clause in the AMA rulebook. . .
that covers everything!!!<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:36 AM, billglaze <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Don:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>There are times when for one reason or another, the
field is unmarked with a landing zone, and the CD announces that the
LZ is the entire runway, making the LZ and the LA the
same. That's what leads to doubt in judging landings. At
least in my case, and, apparently, other folks also. And, like
Georgie, I've also seen the 2 meter requirement mentioned; can't put
my finger on it right now, but I've seen it in some official
document.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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target=_blank>Don Ramsey</A> </DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I just check
all the PowerPoint presentations on the website and they all say the
same thing.<SPAN> </SPAN>LANDING AREA: the entire defined
runway.<SPAN> </SPAN>LANDING ZONE is 30 m long and normally
the width of the runway BUT not more than 30 M wide.<SPAN>
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Georgie, the
landing never has been required to be within 2 meters of center for
maximum points.<SPAN> </SPAN>As long as I was judging chairman
(and before) it was 30 meters centered on the judges.<SPAN>
</SPAN>Landing in that area could score max points. (The takeoff
should lift off within 2 meters of center for max
points).</SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN><BR> </DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">There is a
lot of times when the aircraft may stop within 10 meters after
landing and there are many times when it may not.<SPAN>
</SPAN>For instance, grass runway with high grass or a smooth cement
runway and no wind.<SPAN> </SPAN>The intent of the rule was to
allow max points for either case. I’ve flown in some contests where
if you landed in the landing zone (for max points) it was almost
impossible to keep the plane from exiting the end of the runway.
Solution: land about 10 meters before center, roll 10 meters and be
finished, then don’t worry about running off the end.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
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target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>George W.Kennie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 02, 2009
11:23 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"># 2 screw-up !!!! It's
not "roll to a stop within 15 meters", it's 10 meters, but the
"stop" is still the elementle crux, I think. If it says " no
downgrade if the model rolls to a stop within 10 meters"
doesn't that infer that if the model continues to roll beyond that
distance it becomews a downgradeable offence (1/2pt +)?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And if it's not a centered
maneuver, where'd we come up with the axiom " for maximum
landing points, touchdown should occur < 2 meters either side of
the centerline"? Is that FAI ?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Did I make it up? Am I totally losing it?
How the heck is anyone expected to keep all this stuff
straight?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cut and pasted from the AMA
website this morning:<BR><B>Landing: </B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The landing maneuver will be scored in
half point increments from 10 to 0. The maneuver will start two
(2) meters from the ground. The model flares smoothly to a nose
high altitude, dissipating flying speed, and then smoothly touches
the ground, within the landing zone. The maneuver should be
considered <B>complete once the plane has slowed below flying
speed and rolled 10 meters or comes to a stop and no further
downgrades shall be applied after that point</B>. <BR>The landing
zone shall be marked by lines placed perpendicular across the
runway and spaced 30 meters apart. The width of the landing zone
is normally the width of the runway but in no case shall exceed 30
meters. <B>Landing is not a centered maneuver and there is no
downgrade for displacement of the touchdown point left or right
from center as long as the landing is in the landing zone.</B> If
the touchdown is within the runway but not in the landing zone it
should be downgraded proportionate to the distance outside the
landing zone. The Contest Director may designate any landing zone
appropriate to the field if safety considerations dictate. If the
landing zone is anything other than standard it should be
thoroughly discussed with the pilots and judges before flying is
started and no downgrade shall be applied due to the touchdown in
the non-standard landing zone. <BR></SPAN><SPAN>Emphasis added by
me. This of course for AMA classes.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>JLK<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:
<A href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net"
target=_blank>geobet4@verizon.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Date: Mon, 2
Mar 2009 11:15:23 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</SPAN></P>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Bill,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">This is probably inaccurate,
but I notice that noone else has responded to your inquiry so just
to prove that I have not learned my lesson, here goes.
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">In the landing descriptor it
states, " there is no down grade if the model rolls to a stop
within 15 meters". I think the crucial word is STOP
! What does this mean to proper execution?
How many times have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within
one meter of the center line and then proceed to roll perfectly
straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for
a distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe, but to most
observers, a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15
meters" stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a
downgradeable offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's
responsibility to also control the approach airspeed so that
touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling the rollout
distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this
would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter
rollout.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">If the pilot performs a
landing and meets all the above requirements and then
encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a hummock or
whatever, I would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond
the pilot's control" and score a 10. Flipovers usually occur
as a result of either the plane being outside the landing zone or
equipment malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require
discretionary judgement on the part of the scorer.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">And yup, I agree, It's got to
be a physical impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the
same altitude. I think that needs correcting. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Of course, all this is my
opinionated interpretation of matters and should be so
received.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">G.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">At the risk of starting another
downwind turn discussion:</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><BR> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I've been reading over the
excellent PowerPoint presentation, and I'd like a question
answered that I've had for a long time.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On landing, if the plane
overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic zero? I've felt
for a long time that it should be, yet I've had people tell me
"after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost interest in
the airplane." It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it
doesn't affect the score, is their idea. </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the
landing zone, and then rolls immediately into what awaits, (in
some cases, a small canyon) is the landing zeroed? I've
been called for doing so once.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Secondly, in reading the
presentation for Intermediate, it states for the Split S:
A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the same
altitude. Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but
I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's
happened!)<G> I've been known to incorrectly
read/interpret also. Standing by for the more
knowledgeable brains on the list!</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">thanks</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bill Glaze</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">NSRCA 2388</SPAN></P></DIV>
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