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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I think that dropping the scoring of TOs and
LGs with the intent of reducing risk will be only minimally effective.
There are always going to be individuals who will experience difficulty
with crossing winds, turbulance, ineptitude, whatever, no matter how many times
they go around. I can think of individuals who would include me in the
group.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>G.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=jnhiller@earthlink.net href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N
Hiller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bob@toprudder.com
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">bob@toprudder.com</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 02, 2009 3:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings
and Takeoffs</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">You
make a good argument for dropping takeoff and landing scoring. I have aborted
landings more than once.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Richards<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, March 02, 2009 10:28
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=inherit color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: inherit">I'll say it
here, JMHO. I personally don't think takeoffs and landings should be
judged. These are the maneuvers that put the plane closest to the
pilots/judges/spectators. I've seen some bad takeoffs and landing
approaches pushed to dangerous situations when they would probably
have been aborted had they not been scored maneuvers. At the very least,
the airplane is at risk. At the most, people are at risk. I've had one
plane fly behind my head at the Nats (between myself, my caller, and the
judges) during a landing when the plane got away from the pilot during
one such occurance. I've also seen a plane slam into a person in the
pits at full throttle, just after lifting off the ground, when the plane
first veered away from the pits and the pilot forced the takeoff by
kicking rudder to get it back on the runway. At no point did he back off
the throttle. In most situations such as this, anyone would have aborted
and started over, but because they are being judged they keep on pushing
a bad situation.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=inherit color=black><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=inherit color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: inherit">And, no,
niether situation involved someone in the Sportsman or Intermediate
classes. These were both contestants that had flown pattern for several
years. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=inherit color=black><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=inherit color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: inherit">I thank god
they don't judge takeoffs and landings in IMAC.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=inherit color=black size=3><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: inherit">Bob
R.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=inherit color=black><SPAN
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On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mon, 3/2/09, George W.Kennie
<I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><geobet4@verizon.net></SPAN></I></SPAN></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=inherit color=black><SPAN
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<DIV id=yiv297695904>I don't feel the same way as John on the landing
maneuver being relegated to a non-skill element. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All aerobatic
maneuvers that we perform competitively require that we demonstrate to a
judge that we have developed some precise degree of control over the
airframe under our command. To achieve this control further requires
intense concentration on the part of the pilot. I would offer that there
are many airborne maneuvers where the degree of concentration required
by the pilot are significantly lower than that required to bring the
airframe back into contact with terra firma and demonstrate complete and
confident control. This is a skill that is worthy of reward in my
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