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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Thanks George I don't mean to be offensive. I just pick at the rules in
an effort to enlighten myself and often disapprove of specific details. Most of
the time I am happy to be down in one piece. I hate working on airplanes at the
field, let alone between rounds.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The landing issue probably needs to be includes in the next rules change
proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>George W.Kennie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Questions</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I was
waiting for you Jim. I love ya ! I especially like the way
you immediately take me to task when I screw up. I need guys like you to really
make me think. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bill
says he's not arguing, I always feel like I am. It's just part of
my nature and I love my adversaries. How boring things would be
if......................</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks
for you Jim,</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Georgie</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" title="jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N Hiller</a>
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<font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Monday, March 02, 2009
12:35 PM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
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class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I here you George! That’s
why I find judging harder than flying.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>George W.Kennie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 02, 2009 9:23
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Questions</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'># 2 screw-up !!!! It's not "roll to a stop within
15 meters", it's 10 meters, but the "stop" is still the
elementle crux, I think. If it says " no downgrade if the model
rolls to a stop within 10 meters" doesn't that infer that if the
model continues to roll beyond that distance it becomews a downgradeable
offence (1/2pt +)?</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>And if it's not a centered maneuver, where'd we come up with the
axiom " for maximum landing points, touchdown should occur < 2
meters either side of the centerline"? Is that FAI ?</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Did I make it up? Am I
totally losing it? How the heck is anyone expected to keep all this stuff
straight?</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
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font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Monday, March 02, 2009
11:32 AM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Cut
and pasted from the AMA website this morning:<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Landing: </span></b></span></font><font
size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The landing
maneuver will be scored in half point increments from 10 to 0. The maneuver
will start two (2) meters from the ground. The model flares smoothly to a nose
high altitude, dissipating flying speed, and then smoothly touches the ground,
within the landing zone. The maneuver should be considered <strong><b>complete
once the plane has slowed below flying speed and rolled 10 meters or comes to a
stop and no further downgrades shall be applied after that point</b></strong>. <br>
The landing zone shall be marked by lines placed perpendicular across the
runway and spaced 30 meters apart. The width of the landing zone is normally
the width of the runway but in no case shall exceed 30 meters. <strong><b>Landing
is not a centered maneuver and there is no downgrade for displacement of the
touchdown point left or right from center as long as the landing is in the
landing zone.</b></strong> If the touchdown is within the runway but not in the
landing zone it should be downgraded proportionate to the distance outside the
landing zone. The Contest Director may designate any landing zone appropriate
to the field if safety considerations dictate. If the landing zone is anything
other than standard it should be thoroughly discussed with the pilots and
judges before flying is started and no downgrade shall be applied due to the
touchdown in the non-standard landing zone. <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'>Emphasis added by
me. This of course for AMA classes.</span></font><font size=2
color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><br>
JLK<br>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>From:
geobet4@verizon.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:23 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</span></font><font size=2
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size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bill,</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is
probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has responded to your inquiry
so just to prove that I have not learned my lesson, here goes. </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=4 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In the
landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if the model rolls
to a stop within 15 meters". I think the crucial word is STOP
! What does this mean to proper execution? How many
times have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one meter of the center
line and then proceed to roll perfectly straight down the center of the runway
without a single bounce for a distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe,
but to most observers, a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within
15 meters" stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable
offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also
control the approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just above stall speed
controlling the rollout distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I
think this would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=4 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If the
pilot performs a landing and meets all the above requirements and then
encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a hummock or whatever, I
would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond the pilot's
control" and score a 10. Flipovers usually occur as a result of
either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment malfunction (
stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on the part of
the scorer.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=4 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>And
yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter and exit a Split
Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs correcting. </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Of
course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and should be so
received.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>G.</span></font><font
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<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net" title="billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</a>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca- discussion</a> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Sunday, March 01, 2009
4:30 PM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Questions</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>At
the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I've
been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and I'd like a
question answered that I've had for a long time.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>On
landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic zero? I've
felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had people tell me "after
50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost interest in the
airplane." It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it doesn't affect
the score, is their idea. </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:83.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Also,
if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls immediately into what
awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the landing zeroed? I've been
called for doing so once.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Secondly,
in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states for the Split S:
A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the same altitude. Seems to
me to be an error that slipped by, but I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes,
it's happened!)<G> I've been known to incorrectly read/interpret
also. Standing by for the more knowledgeable brains on the list!</span></font><font
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