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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was waiting for you Jim. I love ya
! I especially like the way you immediately take me to task when I
screw up. I need guys like you to really make me think. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill says he's not arguing, I always feel
like I am. It's just part of my nature and I love my adversaries.
How boring things would be if......................</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for you Jim,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jnhiller@earthlink.net href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N
Hiller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 02, 2009 12:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</DIV>
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you George! That’s why I find judging harder than
flying.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>George W.Kennie<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, March 02, 2009 9:23
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"># 2
screw-up !!!! It's not "roll to a stop within 15 meters",
it's 10 meters, but the "stop" is still the elementle crux, I think. If
it says " no downgrade if the model rolls to a stop within 10 meters"
doesn't that infer that if the model continues to roll beyond that distance it
becomews a downgradeable offence (1/2pt +)?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And if
it's not a centered maneuver, where'd we come up with the axiom " for
maximum landing points, touchdown should occur < 2 meters either side of
the centerline"? Is that FAI ?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did I make it up? Am
I totally losing it? How the heck is anyone expected to keep all this stuff
straight?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
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from the AMA website this morning:<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Landing: </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The landing maneuver will
be scored in half point increments from 10 to 0. The maneuver will start two
(2) meters from the ground. The model flares smoothly to a nose high altitude,
dissipating flying speed, and then smoothly touches the ground, within the
landing zone. The maneuver should be considered <STRONG><B>complete once the
plane has slowed below flying speed and rolled 10 meters or comes to a stop
and no further downgrades shall be applied after that point</B></STRONG>.
<BR>The landing zone shall be marked by lines placed perpendicular across the
runway and spaced 30 meters apart. The width of the landing zone is normally
the width of the runway but in no case shall exceed 30 meters.
<STRONG><B>Landing is not a centered maneuver and there is no downgrade for
displacement of the touchdown point left or right from center as long as the
landing is in the landing zone.</B></STRONG> If the touchdown is within the
runway but not in the landing zone it should be downgraded proportionate to
the distance outside the landing zone. The Contest Director may designate any
landing zone appropriate to the field if safety considerations dictate. If the
landing zone is anything other than standard it should be thoroughly discussed
with the pilots and judges before flying is started and no downgrade shall be
applied due to the touchdown in the non-standard landing zone.
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Emphasis added
by me. This of course for AMA classes.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black
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geobet4@verizon.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 2
Mar 2009 11:15:23 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is probably
inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has responded to your inquiry so just
to prove that I have not learned my lesson, here goes.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the landing
descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if the model rolls to a stop
within 15 meters". I think the crucial word is STOP !
What does this mean to proper execution? How many times have you
seen a plane touch down perfectly within one meter of the center line and then
proceed to roll perfectly straight down the center of the runway without a
single bounce for a distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe, but to
most observers, a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters"
stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable offence.
Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also control the
approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling
the rollout distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this
would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter
rollout.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the pilot
performs a landing and meets all the above requirements and then
encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a hummock or whatever, I
would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond the pilot's control" and
score a 10. Flipovers usually occur as a result of either the plane
being outside the landing zone or equipment malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.)
and would require discretionary judgement on the part of the
scorer.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And yup, I agree,
It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the
same altitude. I think that needs correcting. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Of course, all
this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and should be so
received.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
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2009 4:30 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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Judging Questions</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">At the risk of
starting another downwind turn discussion:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I've been reading
over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and I'd like a question answered
that I've had for a long time.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">On landing, if the
plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic zero? I've felt for a
long time that it should be, yet I've had people tell me "after 50 ft. landing
roll, we've completely lost interest in the airplane." It can roll
anywhere, do anything, and it doesn't affect the score, is their idea.
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TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls immediately into what awaits,
(in some cases, a small canyon) is the landing zeroed? I've been called
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reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states for the Split S: A
downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the same altitude. Seems to
me to be an error that slipped by, but I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes,
it's happened!)<G> I've been known to incorrectly read/interpret
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