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<DIV><FONT size=2>Roger that, Bob; along the same lines, I still haven't been
privileged enough to witness a Double Weedon; I understand and agree my
aeronautical schooling has been sadly lacking........................ Bill
Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=getterflash@yahoo.com href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">Bob
Kane</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 02, 2009 12:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</DIV>
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<FONT face=Arial size=4>. . . . .And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical
impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think
that needs correcting. <BR><BR>I've come close by performing an ugly
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=4>1/2 </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=4>barrel
roll first . . . . . ;)<BR></FONT>
<DIV> </DIV>Bob Kane<BR><A
href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> George W.Kennie <<A
href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">geobet4@verizon.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion <<A
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AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that
noone else has responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not
learned my lesson, here goes. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>In the landing descriptor it states, " there is
no down grade if the model rolls to a stop within 15 meters". I
think the crucial word is STOP ! What does this mean to proper
execution? How many times have you seen a plane touch down
perfectly within one meter of the center line and then proceed to roll
perfectly straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for a
distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe, but to most observers, a
beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters" stipulation, it
would appear that this becomes a downgradeable offence. Sounds, to me, like
maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also control the approach airspeed so
that touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling the rollout distance,
but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover
stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>If the pilot performs a landing and meets
all the above requirements and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a
hole or a hummock or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless and rule
"beyond the pilot's control" and score a 10. Flipovers usually occur as
a result of either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment
malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on
the part of the scorer.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical
impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think
that needs correcting. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Of course, all this is my opinionated
interpretation of matters and should be so received.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>G.</FONT></DIV>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>At the risk of starting another downwind turn
discussion:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint
presentation, and I'd like a question answered that I've had for a long
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an
automatic zero? I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've
had people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost
interest in the airplane." It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it
doesn't affect the score, is their idea. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then
rolls immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the
landing zeroed? I've been called for doing so once.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it
states for the Split S: A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at
the same altitude. Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but
I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G> I've
been known to incorrectly read/interpret also. Standing by for the
more knowledgeable brains on the list!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>NSRCA 2388<BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>
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