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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As Jas says<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>FAI is different in this regard than Masters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In FAI there is a general rule that each roll must have a definite
start and stop to the roll element. As a result in FAI the rolls must have minimal
hesitation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In AMA pattern as defined by this rule the wing needs to come down
and bounce the opposite direction. Essentially for max score meaning no
downgrade for this the wing needs to hit perfectly level and immediately go the
other direction. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is a 2pt roll….that does not mean it has 2 points it
means it has 2 ½ rolls. Count the rolls not the points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Same issue in a 4pt roll….same issue in other figures.
They are hesitation rolls. And the rolling element is the important part.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Up until P-09 the FAI (2) ½ rolls reversed had the reversal
immediate as well. In the current P-09 and later the pause between the ½ rolls
is defined as the length of the roll element. This is not the case in AMA
pattern<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We need to keep these two definitions separated. They are
different.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Troy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J Shu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009sequencediagrams are posted
onthe NSRCA site<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Actually
Rex, there are 'seen' pauses in the 3 rolls in FAI, sorry. But the opposite
negative snaps in F are like what this reversed 2pt is.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Not
that it means anything, but I think it looks better with all the point-rolls
having an equal pause.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com"
title="trexlesh@msn.com">Rex</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, March 01,
2009 3:52 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequencediagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi
Gene<br>
<br>
This exact thing was brought up last season about the "three
opposite rolls" in FAI.<br>
I believe the term "no perceiveable" hesitation between changing
directions was used<br>
to cover that.... LOL I guess that means you better hit the point
before you move the<br>
stick the other way! My guess is that if you are within a couple degrees
of the point,<br>
no one could see that anyway. You are immediately changing roll
direction, and the time<br>
spent at the point of change is so short, you'd have to be somewhere around
five degrees<br>
off before it was actually seen as being "off". The
slower the roll, the easier it is to see<br>
wing position in real time. If you are rolling in slow roll
fashion, the judge could easily see<br>
if wing position is off. I guess this is all splitting hairs, because if
you reverse a roll at any<br>
time, the wing has to stop rotation before it goes the other way, hence a
hesitation....<br>
This could drive a guy nuts.... But in my case, who could tell?!<br>
<br>
Rex<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:39 -0600<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe
NSRCA site<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Don’t you have to stop the plane to show the second point
(2 of 2) and then reverse the roll direction (Reversed)? Doesn’t that
“stop” create an inherent hesitation (Per Webster: to delay
momentarily : pause )? If there is no delay have you presented a point and
therefore really performed a two point roll?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Plano, TX</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>AMA 3408 NSRCA 877</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>PACSS.sgmservice.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rex<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are
posted onthe NSRCA site</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>You
are correct Jim... there is no hesitation between the two seperate
2/2.<br>
Each 2/2 has a hesitation after the half roll to inverted. So, to put it
as a <br>
description of requirements, you'd have "half roll", hesitation,
"half roll", NO HESITATION,<br>
"half roll", hesitation, "half roll"....<br>
<br>
Rex<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: jnhiller@earthlink.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:15:39 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe
NSRCA site<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ececemailstyle19><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>George now you have me confused. I
understood that there was to be NO hesitation between the two 2/2 rolls
reversed. A noticeable hesitation would warrant a downgrade. PPT page 18 and
RCA-33 agree on this.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ececemailstyle19><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Jim Hiller</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:100.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>George
W.Kennie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are
posted onthe NSRCA site</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:100.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jon,</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:100.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>You've been doing it
correctly. That's a list of downgrades. If there's no hesitation, it's a
downgrade. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:rickwallace45@gmail.com"
title="rickwallace45@gmail.com">richard wallace</a> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Sunday,
March 01, 2009 12:14 PM</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, all, for the feedback
on these presentations - now if I could only FLY the Masters 09
sequence... !</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>BURN FUEL! (ok.... or
electrons, as appropriate...)</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:24 AM,
Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:44.55pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Rick,<br>
I want to thank you for posting these. I read thru the Powerpoint
presentation on the Masters sequence last nite, and picked up on two key points
that I had completely missed. I hadn't thought about pulling early on the
start of the hourglass to maintain geometry, and I had completely missed
the fact that there is no hesitation in the two, two of two rolls opposite.
I had been practicing both manuevers incorrectly.. In fact, I would
have sworn there WAS a hesitation in the rolls before I read your presentation
and rechecked the rules. Now if the weather would break so I could get
more practice...<br>
<br>
Job well done.<br>
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color:#888888'><br>
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Jon Lowe</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: richard wallace <<a href="mailto:rickwallace45@gmail.com">rickwallace45@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 6:49 am<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted on the
NSRCA site<br>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:44.55pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>The current Masters seequence is posted on the NSCA website (along
with all the other current sequences) at<br>
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<a href="http://nsrca.us/judginghome.html">http://nsrca.us/judginghome..html</a><br>
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Click the desired AMA class link in the middle of the page to open or save the
presentation.<br>
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-- Each file is 2MB or a little less -dodwnload may take a few seconds<br>
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-- Might as well save it on your local computer for later reference..!<br>
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These presentations try to capture the rulebook downgrades and some helpful
tips but, as always, the current rulebook is the authority!<br>
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Links to FAI P09 and F09 sequences and call cards are in the listing to the right
of the page.<br>
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Enjoy--!<br>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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