<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">LOL.. Or snaps.. haha<br><br><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 2/10/09, Ron Van Putte <i><vanputte@cox.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...wasArmingPlug/ReceptacleProblem<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 7:43 PM<br><br><pre>Well, I am very sorry. Please forgive me. At least I haven't mentioned the<br>Downwind Turn.<br><br>Ron<br><br>On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:44 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:<br><br>> Geez Ron. Look what you started.. Don't you know by
now that you<br>can't talk about electrics??? Some people get their feelings hurt.<br>> The only place it's sort of allowed is in the Electric Pattern forum<br>on RCU.<br>> <br>> I don't understand why it's such an issue anymore. Glow-Electric..<br>Both are here to stay! Same planes, different motors. Who cares? Not me!!!!<br>Just fly the dang plane! And have fun doing it!!!! All this mumbo-jumbo is<br>nonsense. Fly what you like, but don't hate on someone else for flying what<br>they like. If you are serious about competing, the scores are what matter in the<br>long run. And if you are good enough, you will get them no matter what you fly.<br>I'm pretty confident that the top guys could fly a Piper Cub and beat most<br>of us. lol<br>> <br>> Matt, this isn't intended at you, your's is just the last email<br>and I hit the reply button bro..<br>> <br>> Chris<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --- On Tue, 2/10/09,
Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick@cox.net> wrote:<br>> From: Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick@cox.net><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC<br>...wasArmingPlug/ReceptacleProblem<br>> To: "General pattern discussion"<br><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:25 PM<br>> <br>> Hahaha... Maybe for those who don't know how to maintain their own<br>engines... Me, I just choose not to loan money to the in-laws. I've been<br>running 140 DZ's and FZ's for 3 years now with no problems whatsoever. I<br>even assembled a complete 140 FZ at the field in 20 minutes using spare parts a<br>friend gave me... back-flipped to start on the very first try, runs like a top.<br>> <br>> Matt<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: Keith Hoard<br>> To: General pattern discussion<br>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:02 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electric/IC<br>...wasArmingPlug/ReceptacleProblem<br>> <br>> I don't look at a YS engine as an investment . . . more like the<br>"loan" you make to one of your in-laws who "promises" to pay<br>you back . . .<br>> <br>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br>wrote:<br>> Matt - I disagree with part of your statement #1. I like electrics and I<br>love the smell of burning nitro too.<br>> <br>> One of my fondest memories is going to contests up in Ohio, Michigan and<br>Indiana with Don Lowe in his old Pontiac station wagon, which had the aroma of<br>castor oil, that came from the fuel that had dripped on and seeped into the<br>carpet in the back.<br>> <br>> I totally agree with #2.<br>> <br>> Ron<br>> <br>> <br>> On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:<br>> <br>> I'm afraid I must take issue with two of your statements:<br>> 1) I'm not afraid of electric, I
just don't like it. Part of what<br>I like about the hobby is the engines, I love the smell of burning nitro in the<br>morning, smells like victory<br>> 2) There's no such thing as too many YS engines to those who like them<br>> <br>> Matt<br>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferrell"<br><johnferrell@earthlink.net><br>> To: "General pattern discussion"<br><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:47 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was<br>ArmingPlug/ReceptacleProblem<br>> <br>> <br>> It is an interesting question for sure...<br>> Can you think of any other form of aviation where empty weight is more<br>important that Gross or take off weight?<br>> Of course one cannot blame the IC fans for being afraid of electric<br>technology.<br>> <br>> Personally, the bad news is that the new knee joints I had installed last<br>year are not
permitting me to squat or kneel. It is tough to deal with tending<br>an IC powered airplane with that limitation.<br>> The good news is that electrics do not appear to require the operator to<br>squat/kneel.<br>> <br>> Unfortunately there remains the problem of recovering the investment of<br>too many YS engines and the accompanying airplanes...<br>> <br>> John Ferrell W8CCW<br>> <br>> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do<br>nothing." -- Edmund Burke<br>> http://DixieNC.US<br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte"<br><vanputte@cox.net><br>> To: "General pattern discussion"<br><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:03 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming<br>Plug/ReceptacleProblem<br>> <br>> <br>> I beg to differ. The rules are already slanted to favor IC: the way
the<br>airplanes are weighed. IC airplanes are weighed without fuel; electric<br>airplanes are weighed with fuel (batteries) and both may no more than 5<br>kilograms. OMG, here we go again!<br>> <br>> Ron<br>> <br>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:54 PM, James Oddino wrote:<br>> <br>> I've been at this longer than most and have known from the beginning<br>that the propulsion system is the key to winning in Pattern competition. It can<br>also be the most frustrating due to constantly changing conditions. I found<br>that the gas engines with spark ignition were a lot more consistent than glow<br>and that reduced the frustration. I have more recently convinced myself that<br>electric is the least frustrating. A few folks have gone back to glow after<br>playing with electric to get more power for windy conditions. We are now<br>getting close to getting more than enough out of electric systems (3 to 4 HP?)<br>and when that happens we
won't have these discussions anymore. However,<br>before that happens, the rules will probably be changed to favor IC.<br>> <br>> Jim<br>> <br>> <br>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Jerry Voth wrote:<br>> <br>> I've been lurking for a long time and after reading all the things<br>that one needs to do to successfully fly electric, it makes one wonder how<br>things would be if electrics were the norm from the beginning of powered R/C<br>models. It might go like this;<br>> <br>> Hey guys, I just bought this little IC engine and I tried it on one of my<br>Pattern models and it works really well. "Look what it will do;<br>> 1. It has just as much power as our electric motors.<br>> 2. The only batteries you need are for the flight pack, glow igniter and<br>the electric starter if you don't like to flip by hand.<br>> 3. All you have to do is pump fuel into the tank, spin the engine with<br>the starter and fly.The tail
gets a little oily, but what the heck, it's<br>fairly easy to clean up.(Switching the radio on first is a given.)<br>> 4. You don't have to haul a generator or an extra car battery around<br>to charge motor batteries."<br>> <br>> Please don't take this the wrong way. It is tongue in cheek and just<br>an observation. I also have too much time on my hands these days.<br>> <br>> JJV<br>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Marshall"<br><lightfoot@sc.rr.com><br>> To: "'General pattern discussion'"<br><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:50 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem<br>> <br>> <br>> A 100 ohm resistor may be enough to charge the caps and make the ESC<br>> "active". Bad idea...<br>> <br>> Jay Marshall<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van<br>Putte<br>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 PM<br>> To: General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem<br>> <br>> Good. I will try it. What wattage 100 ohm resistor? Let's see,<br>> doesn't sustained power equal voltage squared, divided by the<br>> resistance? If so, 42 squared, divided by 100 is 17.64 watts.<br>> That's probably overkill, since the current surge is transitory. How<br>> about a 100 ohm, 10 watt resistor?<br>> <br>> Just thought of something: With the 100 ohm resistor across the<br>> arming plug receptacle, won't the ESC be on whenever the batteries<br>> are plugged into the circuit?<br>> <br>> BTW, what about Castle Creation's statement that the "spark is<br>your<br>> friend'?<br>> <br>> Ron<br>> <br>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:55 AM, James Oddino
wrote:<br>> <br>> Put a 100 ohm resistor across the arming plug receptacle. Then the<br>> capacitors in the ESC will charge without a spark as you connect<br>> the batteries. When you connect the arming plug, no spark.<br>> <br>> Jim<br>> <br>> <br>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Ron Van Putte wrote:<br>> <br>> I have a problem which I am sure many other E-powered airplane<br>> owners have that I'd like to solve. I use an arming plug to<br>> connect the two 5S Lipo packs to the ESC. On initial contact of<br>> the arming plug with the receptacle, there's a big spark thrown.<br>> Eventually the contacts on the arming plug and receptacle get<br>> burned to the point where the electrical contact is very bad.<br>> Yesterday I had to land my airplane deadstick because (I think)<br>> the ESC saw what it thought was low voltage out of the battery<br>> that was actually due to the burned arming
plug/receptacle<br>> contacts. BTW, I am using high-amp Anderson Power Pole<br>> connectors, which are probably more susceptible to having the<br>> contacts burned than would Deans Ultra connectors.<br>> <br>> I have thought about putting a BIG capacitor in parallel with the<br>> arming plug, that would damp the initial current surge which<br>> causes the spark. The capacitor could be removed before flight.<br>> However, I'm wondering if there's a more elegant solution.<br>> <br>> Ron Van Putte<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>> <br>>
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