<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Thanks Vicente. I have come along way since I first started Electric.. When I thought it would rule the world!! lol <img src="http://mail.yimg.com/a/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif"> Plus the new Dz's came out, and now the Cdi's.. Yeah, they are good IMO. Great power, and somewhat reliable. I see less deadsticks now than I used to. But they are still there, even from the "names".. <br>With what you say about fuel injected, and supercharged in 4 cycles. Well, guess we won't have the cryin anymore about how expensive E is will we? <img src="http://mail.yimg.com/a/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif"><br><br><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 2/9/09, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <i><vicenterc@comcast.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote
style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Vicente "Vince" Bortone <vicenterc@comcast.net><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/ReceptacleProblem<br>To: homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 7:04 PM<br><br><div id="yiv906794990"><style type="text/css">#yiv906794990 p {margin:0;}</style><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><p>Chris,</p>
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<p>Well said. I have two Abbras one electric and the other one YS. Both electric and glow are good. In my case, the pilot is the only bad stuff. I would like to see the YS-CDI in the market soon. That will make pattern even more interesting. Also, I wish that someone makes a gasoline engine in small size with the power density we need. I saw 3-4 years ago someone using a 4 cycle gasoline engine. I wonder if they add fuel injection and supercharge in 4 cycle engine we will get good results. </p>
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<p>Vicente "Vince" Bortone <br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "krishlan fitzsimmons" <homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com><br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 8:33:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/ReceptacleProblem<br><br></p>
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<td valign="top">Glow is good, Electric is good!!! Those of us that choose to stick with Electric have our reasons. As stated before, don't forget, we used to fly glow.. This is a silly conversation really. Everyone has their own individual needs and likes out of their plane. <br>And as far as I can tell, E power is having little trouble for the most part making weight. I haven't had a problem yet. Now, if when I was weighed, if I had an allowance to fly heavier than 11lbs would I? At the nats, heck yes. IMO, in the wind it is an advantage to be a little heavier. <br><br><br>
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<div> </div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 2/9/09, Budd Engineering <i><jerry@buddengineering.com></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">From: Budd Engineering <jerry@buddengineering.com><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/ReceptacleProblem<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 6:22 PM<br><br><pre>Really? Your fuel tank weighs 42 oz when full of fuel?!! Wow!<br><br>Jerry<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Feb 9, 2009, at 6:08 PM, "Dennis Cone"<br><patternpilot@verizon.net> <br>wrote:<br><br>> If your fuel tanks weighed more with fuel Ron, then there is a point <br>> here.<br>> An IC tank weighs more when full of fuel. Sooooo there is no <br>> argument. IC<br>> wins as it should. :-)<br>><br>> Aloha,<br>> Dennis<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron <br> <br>> Van Putte<br>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:03 PM<br>> To: General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming<br>> Plug/ReceptacleProblem<br>><br>><br>> I beg to differ. The rules are already slanted to favor IC: the way<br>> the airplanes are weighed. IC airplanes are weighed without fuel;<br>> electric airplanes are weighed with fuel (batteries) and both may no<br>> more than 5 kilograms. OMG, here we go again!<br>><br>> Ron<br>><br>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:54 PM, James Oddino wrote:<br>><br>>> I've been at this longer than most and have known from the<br>>> beginning that the propulsion system is the key to winning in<br>>> Pattern competition. It can also be the most frustrating due to<br>>> constantly changing conditions. I found that the gas engines
with<br>>> spark ignition were a lot more consistent than glow and that<br>>> reduced the frustration. I have more recently convinced myself<br>>> that electric is the least frustrating. A few folks have gone back<br>>> to glow after playing with electric to get more power for windy<br>>> conditions. We are now getting close to getting more than enough<br>>> out of electric systems (3 to 4 HP?) and when that happens we<br>won't<br>>> have these discussions anymore. However, before that happens, the<br>>> rules will probably be changed to favor IC.<br>>><br>>> Jim<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Jerry Voth wrote:<br>>><br>>>> I've been lurking for a long time and after reading all the<br>things<br>>>> that one needs to do to successfully fly electric, it makes one<br>>>> wonder how things would be if electrics were the norm from
the<br>>>> beginning of powered R/C models. It might go like this;<br>>>><br>>>> Hey guys, I just bought this little IC engine and I tried it on<br>>>> one of my Pattern models and it works really well. "Look what<br>it<br>>>> will do;<br>>>> 1. It has just as much power as our electric motors.<br>>>> 2. The only batteries you need are for the flight pack, glow<br>>>> igniter and the electric starter if you don't like to flip by<br>hand.<br>>>> 3. All you have to do is pump fuel into the tank, spin the engine<br>>>> with the starter and fly.The tail gets a little oily, but what the<br>>>> heck, it's fairly easy to clean up.(Switching the radio on<br>first<br>>>> is a given.)<br>>>> 4. You don't have to haul a generator or an extra car battery<br>>>> around to charge motor batteries."<br>>>><br>>>> Please don't
take this the wrong way. It is tongue in cheek<br>and<br>>>> just an observation. I also have too much time on my hands these<br>>>> days.<br>>>><br>>>> JJV<br>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Marshall"<br>>>> <lightfoot@sc.rr.com><br>>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca- <br>>>> discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:50 PM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> A 100 ohm resistor may be enough to charge the caps and make<br>the <br>>>>> ESC<br>>>>> "active". Bad idea...<br>>>>><br>>>>> Jay Marshall<br>>>>><br>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of<br>>>>> Ron Van Putte<br>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 PM<br>>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem<br>>>>><br>>>>> Good. I will try it. What wattage 100 ohm resistor? <br>Let's see,<br>>>>> doesn't sustained power equal voltage squared, divided by<br>the<br>>>>> resistance? If so, 42 squared, divided by 100 is 17.64 watts.<br>>>>> That's probably overkill, since the current surge is<br>transitory.<br>>>>> How<br>>>>> about a 100 ohm, 10 watt resistor?<br>>>>><br>>>>> Just thought of something: With the 100 ohm resistor across<br>the<br>>>>> arming plug receptacle, won't the ESC be on whenever the<br>batteries<br>>>>> are plugged into
the circuit?<br>>>>><br>>>>> BTW, what about Castle Creation's statement that the<br>"spark is your<br>>>>> friend'?<br>>>>><br>>>>> Ron<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:55 AM, James Oddino wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Put a 100 ohm resistor across the arming plug receptacle. <br>Then <br>>>>>> the<br>>>>>> capacitors in the ESC will charge without a spark as you<br>connect<br>>>>>> the batteries. When you connect the arming plug, no<br>spark.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Jim<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Ron Van Putte wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>> I have a problem which I am sure many other E-powered<br>airplane<br>>>>>>> owners have that I'd like to solve. I use
an<br>arming plug to<br>>>>>>> connect the two 5S Lipo packs to the ESC. On initial<br>contact of<br>>>>>>> the arming plug with the receptacle, there's a big<br>spark thrown.<br>>>>>>> Eventually the contacts on the arming plug and<br>receptacle get<br>>>>>>> burned to the point where the electrical contact is<br>very bad.<br>>>>>>> Yesterday I had to land my airplane deadstick because<br>(I think)<br>>>>>>> the ESC saw what it thought was low voltage out of the<br>battery<br>>>>>>> that was actually due to the burned arming<br>plug/receptacle<br>>>>>>> contacts. BTW, I am using high-amp Anderson Power<br>Pole<br>>>>>>> connectors, which are probably more susceptible to<br>having the<br>>>>>>> contacts burned than would Deans Ultra
connectors.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> I have thought about putting a BIG capacitor in<br>parallel with the<br>>>>>>> arming plug, that would damp the initial current surge<br>which<br>>>>>>> causes the spark. The capacitor could be removed<br>before flight.<br>>>>>>> However, I'm wondering if there's a more<br>elegant solution.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>>>>><br>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing
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