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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What worked really well for us when judging unknowns, was
when the judges had their own caller sitting in the judges tent, right in
back of them. He would whisper the figures, component by component, to
the judges. Works great, if you have the personnel.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:24
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It's an added setup task for the scoring software. The
way it's done in Scale Aerobatics, the unknowns are never throw always.
When I was first flying IMAC, the unknowns were always given out the night
before. I hear that these days, it's not uncommon to have then handed
out the morning of. One thing about unknowns that is really not a
good thing is how poor the judging becomes if the CD doesn't assure
that judges are familiar with the unknowns beforehand. It's an added
burden on contestant judges who not only need to try to plan and prepare for
their unknown, but get familiar with another classes unknown. Your caller
needs to be familiar with whatever you've written out for instructions
etc. There are a lot of 0's with unknowns and also a lot of 0's that get
missed by judges. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=anthonyr105@hotmail.com
href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com">Anthony Romano</A> </DIV>
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title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Mandatory Advancment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>What are the logistics of scoring with an
Unkown?<BR> <BR>Anthony<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR>> Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:44:29 -0500<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</A><BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> My
experience in flying and judging unknowns, locally and at a Nats, is
this:<BR>> <BR>> In order to adequately judge unknowns you should have
a scribe and an aresti-caller. This person is experienced and reads ahead
the elements of each maneuver so you as a judge can stay watching the
maneuver and right on queue. <BR>> <BR>> If you put this in practice
like we do in the SE IMAC region, judging the unknowns is not a problem, and
rarely more of a problem that typical known round judging.<BR>> <BR>>
However, I disagree with your assessment about experienced pilots being able
to execute an unknown if only the caller is on the ball. Flying unknown
sequences is a skill that is undeveloped in pattern pilots. On paper it
looks simple enough, but in execution, it is totally different animal. I can
name pilots either way that fly so-so knowns, then fly better unknowns, and
pilots that fly GREAT knowns, and lose focus on unknowns.... (the first
"skill" that needs nourishment is the ability to truly listen and fly
exactly what the caller says and when. Memorizing an unknown then flying it,
is not a practice often used with the IMAC guys.)<BR>> <BR>>
Thanks,<BR>> Jim<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:34
AM<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> Unknowns are a fair
idea. Most of us long timers in the sport have <BR>> flown most maneuvers
in the book and could execute an unknown sequence <BR>> reasonably well
if we had a caller who was on the ball.<BR>> <BR>> The main problem I
see with unknowns is judging them correctly. My <BR>> concern isn't with
judges with routinely judge F3A and Masters <BR>> Finals....these folks
have a pretty good grasp on judging nuances in <BR>> general, which
include unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the <BR>> same be said
for the everyday folks who attend the contests to fly and <BR>> are also
tapped to judge? I'm not so sure.<BR>> <BR>> MattK<BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: jtkeiser@comcast.net<BR>> To:
General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>
Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:19 am<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> Well, just think Ron, now all your
competitors would be doing the same <BR>> - at least for one flight.
Doesn't that seem more fair?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Jack<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>> From: "Ron Van Putte"
&lt;vanputte@cox.net&gt;<BR>> To: "General pattern discussion"
<BR>> &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<BR>> Sent:
Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:16:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada <BR>>
Eastern<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>>
<BR>> I'm in the Master class and I fly unknowns all the time. Just
ask my <BR>> caller, John Fuqua, and he'll tell you that I rarely
know what's next.<BR>> <BR>> Ron VP<BR>> <BR>> On Feb 4, 2009,
at 9:57 AM, Vicente=2<BR>> 0Vince Bortone wrote:<BR>> &gt; I also
fly AMA pattern and IMAC when there is a contest close to <BR>>
&gt; Kansas City. I wish that I could fly IAC. Yes, it will
be <BR>> &gt; interesting to add unknowns to pattern. In
IMAC the class that <BR>> &gt; does not fly unknowns is basic.
All the rest fly unknowns.<BR>>
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