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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sometimes the judges follow the contestant’s
caller. I remember when I accidentally gave my new caller an outdated call
sheet. There was no problem until <b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'>I </span></u></b>realized
that I was performing the wrong maneuvers at the wrong time and bailed out. No “0”s
until then as the judges graded on what the caller said!</span></font></p>
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style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>billglaze<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 05, 2009
10:39 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
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discussion</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What worked really well for us when
judging unknowns, was when the judges had their own caller sitting in the
judges tent, right in back of them. He would whisper the figures,
component by component, to the judges. Works great, if you have the
personnel. </span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" title="ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It's an added setup task for the
scoring software. The way it's done in Scale Aerobatics, the unknowns are never
throw always. When I was first flying IMAC, the unknowns were always
given out the night before. I hear that these days, it's not uncommon to
have then handed out the morning of. One thing about unknowns that is
really not a good thing is how poor the judging becomes if the CD
doesn't assure that judges are familiar with the unknowns beforehand. It's
an added burden on contestant judges who not only need to try to plan and
prepare for their unknown, but get familiar with another classes unknown. Your
caller needs to be familiar with whatever you've written out for instructions
etc. There are a lot of 0's with unknowns and also a lot of 0's that get
missed by judges. </span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com" title="anthonyr105@hotmail.com">Anthony
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What are the logistics of scoring with an Unkown?<br>
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Anthony<br>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:44:29 -0500<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<br>
> <br>
> My experience in flying and judging unknowns, locally and at a Nats, is
this:<br>
> <br>
> In order to adequately judge unknowns you should have a scribe and an
aresti-caller. This person is experienced and reads ahead the elements of each
maneuver so you as a judge can stay watching the maneuver and right on queue. <br>
> <br>
> If you put this in practice like we do in the SE IMAC region, judging the
unknowns is not a problem, and rarely more of a problem that typical known
round judging.<br>
> <br>
> However, I disagree with your assessment about experienced pilots being
able to execute an unknown if only the caller is on the ball. Flying unknown
sequences is a skill that is undeveloped in pattern pilots. On paper it looks
simple enough, but in execution, it is totally different animal. I can name
pilots either way that fly so-so knowns, then fly better unknowns, and pilots
that fly GREAT knowns, and lose focus on unknowns.... (the first
"skill" that needs nourishment is the ability to truly listen and fly
exactly what the caller says and when. Memorizing an unknown then flying it, is
not a practice often used with the IMAC guys.)<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jim<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:34 AM<br>
> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<br>
> <br>
> Unknowns are a fair idea. Most of us long timers in the sport have <br>
> flown most maneuvers in the book and could execute an unknown sequence <br>
> reasonably well if we had a caller who was on the ball.<br>
> <br>
> The main problem I see with unknowns is judging them correctly. My <br>
> concern isn't with judges with routinely judge F3A and Masters <br>
> Finals....these folks have a pretty good grasp on judging nuances in <br>
> general, which include unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the <br>
> same be said for the everyday folks who attend the contests to fly and <br>
> are also tapped to judge? I'm not so sure.<br>
> <br>
> MattK<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: jtkeiser@comcast.net<br>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:19 am<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<br>
> <br>
> Well, just think Ron, now all your competitors would be doing the same <br>
> - at least for one flight. Doesn't that seem more fair?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jack<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Ron Van Putte" &lt;vanputte@cox.net&gt;<br>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <br>
> &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:16:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada <br>
> Eastern<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<br>
> <br>
> I'm in the Master class and I fly unknowns all the time. Just ask my
<br>
> caller, John Fuqua, and he'll tell you that I rarely know what's next.<br>
> <br>
> Ron VP<br>
> <br>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Vicente=2<br>
> 0Vince Bortone wrote:<br>
> &gt; I also fly AMA pattern and IMAC when there is a contest close to
<br>
> &gt; Kansas City. I wish that I could fly IAC. Yes, it
will be <br>
> &gt; interesting to add unknowns to pattern. In IMAC the class
that <br>
> &gt; does not fly unknowns is basic. All the rest fly unknowns.<br>
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