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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It's an added setup task for the scoring software. The way
it's done in Scale Aerobatics, the unknowns are never throw always. When I
was first flying IMAC, the unknowns were always given out the night
before. I hear that these days, it's not uncommon to have then handed out
the morning of. One thing about unknowns that is really not a good
thing is how poor the judging becomes if the CD doesn't assure
that judges are familiar with the unknowns beforehand. It's an added burden
on contestant judges who not only need to try to plan and prepare for their
unknown, but get familiar with another classes unknown. Your caller needs to be
familiar with whatever you've written out for instructions etc. There are
a lot of 0's with unknowns and also a lot of 0's that get missed by
judges. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=anthonyr105@hotmail.com href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com">Anthony
Romano</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>What are the logistics of scoring with an
Unkown?<BR> <BR>Anthony<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR>> Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:44:29 -0500<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</A><BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> My
experience in flying and judging unknowns, locally and at a Nats, is
this:<BR>> <BR>> In order to adequately judge unknowns you should have a
scribe and an aresti-caller. This person is experienced and reads ahead the
elements of each maneuver so you as a judge can stay watching the maneuver and
right on queue. <BR>> <BR>> If you put this in practice like we do in
the SE IMAC region, judging the unknowns is not a problem, and rarely more of
a problem that typical known round judging.<BR>> <BR>> However, I
disagree with your assessment about experienced pilots being able to execute
an unknown if only the caller is on the ball. Flying unknown sequences is a
skill that is undeveloped in pattern pilots. On paper it looks simple enough,
but in execution, it is totally different animal. I can name pilots either way
that fly so-so knowns, then fly better unknowns, and pilots that fly GREAT
knowns, and lose focus on unknowns.... (the first "skill" that needs
nourishment is the ability to truly listen and fly exactly what the caller
says and when. Memorizing an unknown then flying it, is not a practice often
used with the IMAC guys.)<BR>> <BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Jim<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:34
AM<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> Unknowns are a fair
idea. Most of us long timers in the sport have <BR>> flown most maneuvers
in the book and could execute an unknown sequence <BR>> reasonably well if
we had a caller who was on the ball.<BR>> <BR>> The main problem I see
with unknowns is judging them correctly. My <BR>> concern isn't with judges
with routinely judge F3A and Masters <BR>> Finals....these folks have a
pretty good grasp on judging nuances in <BR>> general, which include
unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the <BR>> same be said for the
everyday folks who attend the contests to fly and <BR>> are also tapped to
judge? I'm not so sure.<BR>> <BR>> MattK<BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: jtkeiser@comcast.net<BR>> To: General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Wed, 4 Feb
2009 11:19 am<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment<BR>> <BR>> Well, just think Ron, now all your competitors
would be doing the same <BR>> - at least for one flight. Doesn't that seem
more fair?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Jack<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From:
"Ron Van Putte" &lt;vanputte@cox.net&gt;<BR>> To: "General pattern
discussion" <BR>> &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<BR>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:16:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada <BR>>
Eastern<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>>
<BR>> I'm in the Master class and I fly unknowns all the time. Just
ask my <BR>> caller, John Fuqua, and he'll tell you that I rarely
know what's next.<BR>> <BR>> Ron VP<BR>> <BR>> On Feb 4, 2009, at
9:57 AM, Vicente=2<BR>> 0Vince Bortone wrote:<BR>> &gt; I also fly
AMA pattern and IMAC when there is a contest close to <BR>> &gt;
Kansas City. I wish that I could fly IAC. Yes, it will be
<BR>> &gt; interesting to add unknowns to pattern. In IMAC
the class that <BR>> &gt; does not fly unknowns is basic.
All the rest fly unknowns.<BR>>
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