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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Excess baggage. Luck part is them not taking
them out and not letting me go with them. For the Worlds I pack my motor and 1
flight pack in with the plane.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>What's the luck part?<BR>Batteries shipped with the
airplane?<BR>Actually, are you shipping the plane or taking as excess
baggage?<BR>John<BR><BR>J Shu wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I do. I leave them discharged, all
connectors taped and a bit of luck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com"
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Its usually about $80-125 to bring my
plane. Then I stick minimal stuff I need in my suitcase and carry on my
Tx.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com"
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Good luck. Wish I were going too.<BR>What will it cost to
get your planes there?<BR>John<BR><BR>J Shu wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>This will be my 2nd trip to the
land down under. I was there for the Desert Aircraft Challenge in
2007.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com"
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tom,<BR><BR>The NSRCA website says overseas dues are
40 USD when K-Factor is online only. Probably should be even less to
encourage overseas participation and since overseas dues are gravy
if K-Factor is online only.<BR>Are your dollar quotes USD or
AUD?<BR><BR>For everyone else <BR>Aussie dollar is currently about
0.63 dollars US. <BR>current Sydney petrol price for Shell regular=
1.159 AUD/liter = 1.159 * 4 / 1.05 * 0.63 =
2.78 USD/gallon<BR><BR>What is your homebrew cost for 30%DZ
fuel using coolpower oil? I assume that is the regular 2-stroke oil
we used to use rather than the low-viscosity heli oil?<BR><BR>The
APA website says Jason is going to be at the KraftMasters this year.
First trip, Jason? You'll love it.<BR><BR>When I was there, Peter
Goldsmith and a team that will remain nameless put cable ties on the
driveshaft of the Canadian team van. They were sweating bullets all
the way back to the airport wondering if the van was going to make
it. Beware of practical jokers. Just enjoy massive quantities of
great beer and new friends.<BR><BR>John<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BR><BR>Koenig, Tom wrote:
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Guys, Hi
John...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sorry-been lurking for a while
now. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes John is correct about our
system and I must say it kind of works ok. Nothing is ever
perfect, but it does work. Maybe you guys can learn something from
us?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On another note, I've been a NSRCA
member now since '95 ( I think?) and Oh dear...I must
renew...Sorry Jim! I have very few reasons actually to be a NSRCA
member!!! What can the NSRCA do for me????? All I can get is
that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that I am part of the
pattern community-is that enough?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On top of that, now that the dues
have increased, the exchange rate is killing me!!! Let me ask
this-how many of you would pay $100 for the K-factor
alone?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well, I will-and I get no benefit
at all from your organisation. Or do I?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In all truth, I actually think I
get great value! I have made some great friends over the years and
how does one put a monetary value on that? So ( Jim in particular)
I will renew asap...but I just might watch the exchange rates for
a day or two and try and pick a good time!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh-and I will write and contribute
to the K-factor-I just need to line up a few more ducks
first.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Fuels: Guys down here most of us
mix our own using the Coolpower oil. We source Nitro from VP ( or
other brands) and buy methanol anywhere we can, as long as its
pure. To buy pre mix is disgustingly expensive. I think a gallon
of CP30 Heli will be close to $85. Just plain madness in my
opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Electrics will flourish
eventually-simply from an economic point of view. You guys in the
US do not always appreciate just how lucky you
are!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gasoline ( we call it Petrol :-)
right now seems to be around $1.20- $1.30 per litre. Just a little
trivia for you all. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>John Gayer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 3 February
2009 2:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>When this subject came
up lst year I suggested looking into the advancement system the
Australian Pattern Association uses to address the issues you are
bringing up. Their system is maintained by the APA which maintains
the status of each pilot attending any sanctioned contests. In
Australia you earn advancement to the next class by beating
a national standard (raw score) three times in a running 12month
period. They have 4 classes (FAI,Expert, Advanced and Sportsman).
Since the APA is keeping track of all competitor's advancement
status, there is no honor system or bookkeeping issues for the
competitor. Since advancement is based on national scoring
averages of the FAI(Masters) community, the quality of the local
competition in the individual classes is removed(mostly) from the
class advancement criteria. Also, advancement of the top
flyer in a class locally has no impact on the advancement of the
remaining competitors in that class.<BR>I flew under this system
for a couple of years and it works quite well. The biggest
problem, as always, was fair and honest judging. Typically,
classes were judged by competitors in the next higher class and
there was a tendency to keep lower class competitors down on the
farm.<BR>More more information on the Australian advancement
system, go to <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.australianpatternassociation.com.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.australianpatternassociation.com.au</A>
and drill down to rules and then MAAA Rules, scroll down to R/C
Aerobatics Grading System to get a complete
description.<BR><BR>John<BR> <BR><BR>J N Hiller wrote:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes John the NSRCA
rules change survey is for ALL who are interested in pattern (RC
Aerobatics). We can't emphasize this enough. For those who
haven't been around longer than dirt, the objective of the NSRCA
is to gain some consensuses within the pattern community
regarding rule change proposals. This process reduced the total
number of proposals the AMA change process needed to deal with,
many of which were in conflict or adversely affecting each
other, greatly complicating the re-right between the first and
second AMA votes. At least I think that is how it was. It's been
a while! In any case individuals can still make change proposals
directly to AMA. To my knowledge AMA rules are not controlled or
dictated by any special interest
group.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While out for a walk
this afternoon I had a couple more thoughts that I wish to
share. First the story of how I got to masters should have
included how the remaining advanced fliers would be affected by
my absence. They will likely be trading first place advancement
points, which will accumulating faster, epically if a single
individual dominates. Without gaining significant proficiency
someone could find himself or herself forced into masters much
less prepared than I, which can be difficult at best.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I spoke of
using the raw score as a personal benchmark I was actually using
the judge awarded average not the total K factor average. I
found a couple contest records both of which had 10-point
takeoff and landing, which contributed excessively to my
performance average. The K-average was 1 to 2 % lower due to
lower scores in higher K maneuvers. The value to be used needs
to be the K value average.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other thing we
should consider is revising / simplifying the rule used to allow
a return to a lower class. Nobody enjoys being in last place all
the time. A performance average used for advancement effectively
identifies the upper performance limit within a class and an
equally valid argument could be made to use a minimum value,
below maybe 50%, to allow return to the next lower class. Of
course this of course would not be
mandatory.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The thought also
occurred to me that some incomplete flights due to a double fowl
line violation should be included in the contest performance
average as well. We don't see this very often but it justifiably
pulls down the competitor's performance
average.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jim,<BR>Thank
you for the thoughtful reply and your interest in the
survey.<BR>As someone once told me, you can't have change
without dissatisfaction.<BR>The subject of class advancement
comes up often enough that one has<BR>to believe a lot of folks
feel there is a better way.<BR>You bring up some excellent
alternatives that need to be discussed.<BR>I know this
discussion will lead to one or more survey proposals.<BR>I hope
to have the survey ready to publish on the website, in the
K-Factor and <BR>Model Aviation and on the various forums
by late summer. So we have time<BR>to formulate your
ideas.<BR>By the way, the survey will be open to ALL those
interested in pattern.<BR>NOT just NSRCA members.<BR>Once again
thanks Jim!<BR>JLK<BR><BR>> From: <A
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:37:25 -0800<BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> John, I
would be happy to get involved with this.<BR>> <BR>> I
believe flight score averages derived from complete flights are
good<BR>> indicators of ability. Advancement could be based
on multiple contest<BR>> average (maybe 6???), enough to
demonstrate consistency. 70%? 75%? 80%? 85%?<BR>> could be
used as an advancement indicator rather it be mandatory or
simply a<BR>> recommendation. Not having raw scores
information it would be difficult for<BR>> me to suggest a
hard number. Probably needs to be included in a
proposal!<BR>> Last season's contest raw scores would be a
good indicator of an appropriate<BR>> value.<BR>> <BR>>
Here is my story:<BR>> I'm being pushed into masters where
it's not likely that I will ever be very<BR>> competitive,
but that's OK. I reached my personal plateau of about
80%<BR>> flying advanced in 2007. Through much of 2008 during
practice I was just<BR>> standing in the flight box going
through the motions, talking to who ever<BR>> was standing
there. I expect I will be hard pressed to break 70% in
masters.<BR>> My feeling is advancement percentage needs to
increase with the class<BR>> progression as the skill
development or learning curve tends to level out.<BR>> Not
that the maneuvers are more difficult relative to our acquired
ability<BR>> but the sequences become much less forgiving of
even simple errors.<BR>> <BR>> For something like this to
work the AMA would need to maintain accessible<BR>> records
that are consistently updated by CD's. How many pattern contests
are<BR>> sanctioned? Does AMA still require CD to send
contest results to AMA? How<BR>> many CD's actually do? We
started to touch on this issue in the 'national<BR>>
database' discussion last year. How can it be done? Who is going
to do it?<BR>> Who needs to be involved to make this happen?
Are they interested? Are we<BR>> (pattern fliers)
interested?<BR>> <BR>> Change is never without obstacles.
Lets discuss this and other ideas and add<BR>> it to the
rules proposal survey. Lets try not to get overwhelmed
with<BR>> unreasonable high tech automated data management
systems. We only need one<BR>> additional number included
with contest results and a new advancement<BR>> 'points' card
format.<BR>> <BR>> It's past time to try something
different. John, how much time do we have?<BR>> <BR>> Jim
Hiller<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original
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Behalf Of John Konneker<BR>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009
11:17 AM<BR>> To: Discussion List; <A
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Classes & Growth<BR>>
<BR>> hmmm...<BR>> Jim H.,<BR>> That looks like a good
rules proposal in the making!<BR>> I'd be happy to include it
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