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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I do. I leave them discharged, all
connectors taped and a bit of luck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 02, 2009 10:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment</DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Who brings your batteries?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>J
Shu<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 02, 2009 7:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Its usually about $80-125 to bring my
plane. Then I stick minimal stuff I need in my suitcase and carry on my
Tx.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=jgghome@comcast.net href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">John
Gayer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Good luck. Wish I were going too.<BR>What will it cost to get
your planes there?<BR>John<BR><BR>J Shu wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Hi John,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>This will be my 2nd trip to the land
down under. I was there for the Desert Aircraft Challenge in
2007.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
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<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">General pattern discussion</A> </DIV>
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Monday, February 02, 2009 7:28 PM</DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tom,<BR><BR>The NSRCA website says overseas dues are 40
USD when K-Factor is online only. Probably should be even less to
encourage overseas participation and since overseas dues are gravy if
K-Factor is online only.<BR>Are your dollar quotes USD or
AUD?<BR><BR>For everyone else <BR>Aussie dollar is currently about 0.63
dollars US. <BR>current Sydney petrol price for Shell regular= 1.159
AUD/liter = 1.159 * 4 / 1.05 * 0.63 = 2.78
USD/gallon<BR><BR>What is your homebrew cost for 30%DZ fuel using
coolpower oil? I assume that is the regular 2-stroke oil we used to use
rather than the low-viscosity heli oil?<BR><BR>The APA website says
Jason is going to be at the KraftMasters this year. First trip, Jason?
You'll love it.<BR><BR>When I was there, Peter Goldsmith and a team that
will remain nameless put cable ties on the driveshaft of the Canadian
team van. They were sweating bullets all the way back to the airport
wondering if the van was going to make it. Beware of practical jokers.
Just enjoy massive quantities of great beer and new
friends.<BR><BR>John<BR> <BR>
<BR><BR><BR>Koenig, Tom wrote:
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Guys, Hi
John...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sorry-been lurking for a while now.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes John is correct about our system
and I must say it kind of works ok. Nothing is ever perfect, but it
does work. Maybe you guys can learn something from
us?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On another note, I've been a NSRCA
member now since '95 ( I think?) and Oh dear...I must renew...Sorry
Jim! I have very few reasons actually to be a NSRCA member!!! What can
the NSRCA do for me????? All I can get is that warm fuzzy
feeling knowing that I am part of the pattern community-is
that enough?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On top of that, now that the dues have
increased, the exchange rate is killing me!!! Let me ask this-how many
of you would pay $100 for the K-factor alone?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well, I will-and I get no benefit at
all from your organisation. Or do I?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In all truth, I actually think I get
great value! I have made some great friends over the years and how
does one put a monetary value on that? So ( Jim in particular) I will
renew asap...but I just might watch the exchange rates for a day or
two and try and pick a good time!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh-and I will write and contribute to
the K-factor-I just need to line up a few more ducks
first.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Fuels: Guys down here most of us mix
our own using the Coolpower oil. We source Nitro from VP ( or other
brands) and buy methanol anywhere we can, as long as its pure. To buy
pre mix is disgustingly expensive. I think a gallon of CP30 Heli will
be close to $85. Just plain madness in my opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Electrics will flourish
eventually-simply from an economic point of view. You guys in the US
do not always appreciate just how lucky you are!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=948065722-02022009></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gasoline ( we call it Petrol :-) right
now seems to be around $1.20- $1.30 per litre. Just a little trivia
for you all. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=948065722-02022009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>John Gayer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 3 February
2009 2:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory
Advancment<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>When this subject came up
lst year I suggested looking into the advancement system the
Australian Pattern Association uses to address the issues you are
bringing up. Their system is maintained by the APA which maintains the
status of each pilot attending any sanctioned contests. In Australia
you earn advancement to the next class by beating a national
standard (raw score) three times in a running 12month period. They
have 4 classes (FAI,Expert, Advanced and Sportsman). Since the APA is
keeping track of all competitor's advancement status, there is no
honor system or bookkeeping issues for the competitor. Since
advancement is based on national scoring averages of the FAI(Masters)
community, the quality of the local competition in the individual
classes is removed(mostly) from the class advancement criteria.
Also, advancement of the top flyer in a class locally has no impact on
the advancement of the remaining competitors in that class.<BR>I flew
under this system for a couple of years and it works quite well. The
biggest problem, as always, was fair and honest judging.
Typically, classes were judged by competitors in the next higher class
and there was a tendency to keep lower class competitors down on the
farm.<BR>More more information on the Australian advancement system,
go to <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.australianpatternassociation.com.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.australianpatternassociation.com.au</A>
and drill down to rules and then MAAA Rules, scroll down to R/C
Aerobatics Grading System to get a complete
description.<BR><BR>John<BR> <BR><BR>J N Hiller wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes John the NSRCA rules
change survey is for ALL who are interested in pattern (RC
Aerobatics). We can't emphasize this enough. For those who haven't
been around longer than dirt, the objective of the NSRCA is to gain
some consensuses within the pattern community regarding rule change
proposals. This process reduced the total number of proposals the
AMA change process needed to deal with, many of which were in
conflict or adversely affecting each other, greatly complicating the
re-right between the first and second AMA votes. At least I think
that is how it was. It's been a while! In any case individuals can
still make change proposals directly to AMA. To my knowledge AMA
rules are not controlled or dictated by any special interest
group.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While out for a walk
this afternoon I had a couple more thoughts that I wish to share.
First the story of how I got to masters should have included how the
remaining advanced fliers would be affected by my absence. They will
likely be trading first place advancement points, which will
accumulating faster, epically if a single individual dominates.
Without gaining significant proficiency someone could find himself
or herself forced into masters much less prepared than I, which can
be difficult at best. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I spoke of using
the raw score as a personal benchmark I was actually using the judge
awarded average not the total K factor average. I found a couple
contest records both of which had 10-point takeoff and landing,
which contributed excessively to my performance average. The
K-average was 1 to 2 % lower due to lower scores in higher K
maneuvers. The value to be used needs to be the K value
average.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other thing we
should consider is revising / simplifying the rule used to allow a
return to a lower class. Nobody enjoys being in last place all the
time. A performance average used for advancement effectively
identifies the upper performance limit within a class and an equally
valid argument could be made to use a minimum value, below maybe
50%, to allow return to the next lower class. Of course this of
course would not be mandatory.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The thought also
occurred to me that some incomplete flights due to a double fowl
line violation should be included in the contest performance average
as well. We don't see this very often but it justifiably pulls down
the competitor's performance
average.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you have read this
far you are interested. Don't worry about offending me. Post your
thoughts.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>John
Konneker<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jim,<BR>Thank
you for the thoughtful reply and your interest in the survey.<BR>As
someone once told me, you can't have change without
dissatisfaction.<BR>The subject of class advancement comes up often
enough that one has<BR>to believe a lot of folks feel there is a
better way.<BR>You bring up some excellent alternatives that need to
be discussed.<BR>I know this discussion will lead to one or
more survey proposals.<BR>I hope to have the survey ready to publish
on the website, in the K-Factor and <BR>Model Aviation and on the
various forums by late summer. So we have time<BR>to
formulate your ideas.<BR>By the way, the survey will be open to ALL
those interested in pattern.<BR>NOT just NSRCA members.<BR>Once
again thanks Jim!<BR>JLK<BR><BR>> From: <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A><BR>> To: <A
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:37:25 -0800<BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment<BR>> <BR>> John, I
would be happy to get involved with this.<BR>> <BR>> I believe
flight score averages derived from complete flights are good<BR>>
indicators of ability. Advancement could be based on multiple
contest<BR>> average (maybe 6???), enough to demonstrate
consistency. 70%? 75%? 80%? 85%?<BR>> could be used as an
advancement indicator rather it be mandatory or simply a<BR>>
recommendation. Not having raw scores information it would be
difficult for<BR>> me to suggest a hard number. Probably needs to
be included in a proposal!<BR>> Last season's contest raw scores
would be a good indicator of an appropriate<BR>> value.<BR>>
<BR>> Here is my story:<BR>> I'm being pushed into masters
where it's not likely that I will ever be very<BR>> competitive,
but that's OK. I reached my personal plateau of about 80%<BR>>
flying advanced in 2007. Through much of 2008 during practice I was
just<BR>> standing in the flight box going through the motions,
talking to who ever<BR>> was standing there. I expect I will be
hard pressed to break 70% in masters.<BR>> My feeling is
advancement percentage needs to increase with the class<BR>>
progression as the skill development or learning curve tends to
level out.<BR>> Not that the maneuvers are more difficult
relative to our acquired ability<BR>> but the sequences become
much less forgiving of even simple errors.<BR>> <BR>> For
something like this to work the AMA would need to maintain
accessible<BR>> records that are consistently updated by CD's.
How many pattern contests are<BR>> sanctioned? Does AMA still
require CD to send contest results to AMA? How<BR>> many CD's
actually do? We started to touch on this issue in the
'national<BR>> database' discussion last year. How can it be
done? Who is going to do it?<BR>> Who needs to be involved to
make this happen? Are they interested? Are we<BR>> (pattern
fliers) interested?<BR>> <BR>> Change is never without
obstacles. Lets discuss this and other ideas and add<BR>> it to
the rules proposal survey. Lets try not to get overwhelmed
with<BR>> unreasonable high tech automated data management
systems. We only need one<BR>> additional number included with
contest results and a new advancement<BR>> 'points' card
format.<BR>> <BR>> It's past time to try something different.
John, how much time do we have?<BR>> <BR>> Jim Hiller<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
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Behalf Of John Konneker<BR>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009
11:17 AM<BR>> To: Discussion List; <A
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moz-do-not-send="true">d_bodary@yahoo.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Classes & Growth<BR>> <BR>>
hmmm...<BR>> Jim H.,<BR>> That looks like a good rules
proposal in the making!<BR>> I'd be happy to include it in the
survey.<BR>> ;-)<BR>> JLK<BR>> <BR><!--[if
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