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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Matt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>AMA is not giving up rule making “responsibility”
to NSRCA (SIG). However AMA does look to the SIGs (NSRCA) to take
the lead on promoting (and at the Nats for example running) their
sport. Giving NSRCA the responsibility for schedules is no more,
nor less than the responsibility that IMAC has had for a long time
now. And remember they will have to be published on the AMA website
to become official. The only thing given up is the vote by the AMA RC
Aerobatics Contest Board and the 2 year cycle for schedule changes. I
might point out that all the schedules we have had for the last 3 or 4 maybe 5
rules cycles have been those proposed by NSRCA. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not see any evidence that NSRCA has
been a negative factor in Pattern. NSRCA has matured along the way just as
IMAC has. I remember back about 10 or so years when IMAC was
totally screwed up. East coast vs West coast factions, different rules
and with no one speaking for the organization. Fortunately they finally elected
good leadership and it took off. NSRCA has never had those problems
at least as long as I have been on the Contest Board. Sure we have
had our “personality” issues but that is the nature of volunteer organizations.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also would like to mention that the AMA
RC Aerobatics Contest Board members are also NSRCA members who, in my
experience, wish to work with NSRCA to enhance our avocation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Matthew Frederick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 01, 2009
3:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Why did you join the NSRCA?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It may very well be in pattern's interest that the NSRCA
remain healthy, but I am my own driving force. I don't fly to win the district
championship, and I don't attend the Nats at this point. Before the NSRCA came
around, there were still AMA rules for pattern. Contests were held. I could
make an argument that the NSRCA in it's current form is the reason that pattern
stuggles. I'm not saying that, but evidence exists to support the claim. I
tried to go read the history of the NSRCA to find out exactly what year the
organization was formed, but the link to the NSRCA history article is not
working. All I know is when I first started in pattern in 1990, the NSRCA was
hardly around, and I frequently attended contests with 40 - 50 contestants.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I've been holding my thoughts on this, but I think it
needs to be said: the thought of the AMA allowing the NSRCA to make changes to
schedules or rules without going through the AMA rules process scares me.
Although I have been an NSRCA member for 2 years, I never once felt that the
NSRCA leadership was really looking out for my interests. If the rules proposal
comes up to allow the NSRCA to have that level of control, I
will vehemently oppose it with the AMA, and encourage all of my
friends to do the same.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" title="ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, February
01, 2009 2:02 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Matt:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Probably the most important thing to understand about
supporting the SIG that promotes your interests in Precision Aerobatics before
the AMA. It is also the case that the majority of contests are being
organized and run by NSRCA members, as are judging clinics, championship point systems
and year end awards. I don't want to make this long winded, but
NSRCA is the driving force behind what we do in Pattern, so on that basis alone
it is in your interest as a Pattern competitor to see it maintain a healthy
status. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net" title="mjfrederick@cox.net">Matthew Frederick</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, February
01, 2009 2:53 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>All very good points. I too have not renewed yet this year
because being a member was not of much value to me. The main reason I was a
member was to get the K-Factor. 3 times last year I did not get my copy in the
mail. Furthermore, as pointed out below, the internet has eliminated the
need to post contest results in the district columns. Nothing wrong with a
narrative about the contest, but wasting space with pictures and results that
have already been perused by those who care on the internet is just that, a
waste. I know how much we struggle for content, but it's a waste of the
organization's money to print 34 pages of stuff nobody really needs to read
again.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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href="mailto:davidmichael1@comcast.net" title="davidmichael1@comcast.net">davidmichael1@comcast.net</a>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, January
31, 2009 1:55 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Some good discussion today. Hope I can add
a different perspective. I joined NSRCA last year- part way through the
year- with the plan to begin flying some pattern (I flew one pattern
contest and six IMAC). I still plan on flying in a couple pattern
contests this year and in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>I tend to agree that pattern and IMAC are just
different- but it's still precision aerobatics at its heart. Having said
that I think that the IMAC guys have been much more active in promoting their
cause and making sure that the organization gives value back for the
membership. I also agree that IMAC has the real advantage of high end
money events (TOC, Masters, Tuscon Shootout and now Clover Creek) but this
is kind of a chicken and egg thing- is IMAC big because of the events or is it
the other way around? And there is no discounting the value of having so
many IMAC planes of all sizes available on the market right now- but again, why
is that? More people like them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Having said all this, I do believe NSRCA can
improve, raise visibility, its value and membership if it wants to. I do
not mean any of the following to offend or belittle the work that has been done
by NSRCA officers or volunteers- but I think it is worth saying that what
NSRCA membership offers, the K-Factor and the website- the big three
marketing vehicles- is not where it needs to be anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>1) I haven't yet re-joined NSRCA- if
I do it will be just to support the organization, so the question in my mind
is "is it worth joining?" After trying it
out, my perception is that the value, to me, of an NSRCA membership
is not that great. I understand that the organization provides
new sequences every few years and a voice with the AMA- but what else?
Part of growing an organization is merchandising what you have done for its
members. I may be missing the value- so I say advertise what NSRCA
membership offers- if it's not enough then the NSRCA needs to figure out how to
fix that. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>2) I know now that it is plainly stated but I
have to mention that I didn't like that the membership ended at the end of the
year- I didn't get a full year out of my membership. I would like
to see memberships end on the one year anniversary- not the calendar
year. By the way, when I sign into the IMAC site it says what my
membership is good through and I can print out a membership card anytime.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>3) Honestly, I see the K-Factor as "old
news" by the time I get it. These days the expectation is to get
news instantly- for example contest results or articles. With sites
like RCU and Flying Giants, you can even get mid-contest results after the
first day. The IMAC site, by comparison, provides quick updates on
contests results and an archive of past contests.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>4) I think the NSRCA website needs to be more
robust and be updated more frequently if it is intended to attract and
keep members. I thank all who have and are working on the site now- but I
am struggling to find a way to say this without offending or being ungrateful-
so I'll just say it- take a look at the IMAC site and compare: <a
href="http://www.mini-iac.com">www.mini-iac.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>5) For what it's worth I would like to see new
sequences every year and unknowns. I mentioned this about a year ago on
this same list and the majority of responses were against unknowns. If I
recall correctly there were many who felt that they wouldn't want to have an
unknown decide their placing. To me, sequences that change annually and
being able to fly an unknown is a true indicator of your flying skills- as
opposed to just getting good at a set of manuevers that you have been flying
for 2-3 years over and over again. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105@hotmail.com><br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?<br>
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Lots of interesting discussion here but not a lot of solutions. Maybe a
survey of the membership as to why they join the NSRCA. <br>
What is the value of the K-factor to the members? What is the draw of
the K-factor to our advertisers? <br>
<br>
Maybe even the more fundamental question of why are we drawn to pattern
over the other various R/C disciplines now available. Knowing your customer is
the key to making a sale.<br>
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For me I was drawn to the sleek airplanes and the elusive grace and smoothness
of a pattern flight. Nothing gives me the same satisfaction of the Zen of that
effortless great round. <br>
As for the NSRCA I join to support pattern and help the efforts of all
the people who work so hard to make these events happen.<br>
<br>
Anthony<br>
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