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<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi, Ed:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not necessarily saying that any/all patterns should be
changed at the drop of a hat; basically I agree with you on that, for
sure. It's not the difficulty in coming up with sequences; I did it for
all classes in my IMAC district, when I authored unknowns for the CD to use,
if he saw fit. Some used mine, others used their own. Great!
In Pattern, the reasoning, as espoused for having near-static sequences in all
but Masters and FAI, seems to be that nobody wants to recognize that there are
some folks, who, for whatever reason, will be in one of the lower classes for
quite some time. It's taken for granted that everything but Masters, is
strictly transitional. Many times, this is not the case; there are many
of us who, for different reasons are, ipso facto, virtually locked into one of
the lower classes. It is to be decided whether or not these folks
presence at contests is to be tolerated, or if it is desirable to have them go
away, out of sheer boredom. Not my decision, of course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>To counter a misconception written by another party;
Sequences for IMAC must be approved by the AMA also as ours in Pattern must;
it's just that IMAC will, if necessary, change or use whatever best suits the
sport, as it's required. A few years ago, there was a rebellion in the
IMAC Advanced ranks; those folks hated a figure that had been published and
approved. The IMAC folks just simply changed the sequence; no big
fanfare, no dissension, it was just changed to suit the competitors
involved. Guess what? The sky didn't fall. The world went on
as before. I guess one of the things presently lacking is
fluidity. Again, not my decision.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As for my thinking being an opinion of one person, you may
remember the comprehensive survey done by Eric Henderson a few years
ago. The lower classes voted for frequent sequence changes, by a score
of nearly 80%</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry to be so long winded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Got it! I've discussed the reasons why
Pattern doesn't change the sequences for all classes in the same cycle and I
think it comes down to this. There is a much more deeply held belief in
Pattern that you have to use each class as a real training ground to build
essential skills before moving up. Changing the sequences for the sale
of change doesn't support that goal as well as leaving them stable for a
period of time. Now it may be that they should change more frequently than
they do, but I think that it's probably not correct to change too
rapidly. One thing I saw happen in IMAC as the years progressed, was
an ever increasing level of difficulty in the lower classes. I think
it gets away from the idea of progressively building fundamental skills, but
maybe that doesn't matter so much when centering and box boundaries are
meaningless, and snap rolls are sprinkled all over the place to compensate
for shorter sequences (keeps the K-factors up). I guess it gets back
to what I was originally saying; it's just a different event in more ways
than the size and appearance of the airplanes. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009
11:12 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry, Ed:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I put it wrongly, and I guess pretty obscurely,
also. What I meant was, when you and I were on the BOD of IMAC, all
classes were regarded equally; when sequences changed, they were changed
across the board, with all classes receiving equal attention. Their
philosophy remains the same; all classes are equally regarded, and new
sequences installed annually. As far as I know that is still the
bedrock of IMAC. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009
11:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wasn't aware that IMAC isn't all of the
sequences annually anymore. When did that change?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009
4:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together,
ALL the classes were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences on
a regular basis; not just the Unlimited contestants.. Bill
Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>
; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29,
2009 9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that a lot of the appeal of
IMAC is due to the airplanes that are available. Another
factor that has appeal is that sequences are different every year,
and also, the unknown sequences at most every contest is popular as
well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97 through '03 and it was
fun while it lasted. After a while, I couldn't live with the
changes they were making and I ended up here. Both IMAC and
Pattern have been great fun and great learning experiences, but I do
have to say that I have learned more in Pattern overall. I
also enjoy it more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think maybe it boils down to a few
subtle things that are just different in people. I am pretty
much a purist, and what drove me away from IMAC was when they
ditched the aerobatic box (except in theory), when they decided that
factoring centering into scoring was unfair, and when they
purposely added subjective scoring. It just grated at me and I
knew I could not enjoy it any longer after they did that.
Pattern isn't like that, and that's why I like it so much
better. It allows me to tolerate the idiosyncrasies of glow
vs. gas, allows me to put up with not being able to see a smaller
model as well, but I do it because I like the way the event is
structured. There are great people and good friends in both
events, but I do what I do because it fits me better. We can
tweak our website and restructure our publication, and it's all
good stuff, but at the end of the day, you're going to do what you
do because it fits you best. My $.02 FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan
fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29,
2009 10:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well said John.. <BR><BR>On another note,
didn't this start out as a "please take an online vote"
email.<BR><BR>On even another note, Imac is a different
bird. More people may be interested in flying IMAC IMO
because there is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great
impact so that anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids
are really into the foamies and the freestyles because they
are fun, and impressive. We lack this fun type of flying in
their minds. (Not to me, 3d is somewhat boring to me, except
for foamies)<BR>As someone stated earlier, pattern doesn't
have the market flooded with $400-500 arfs that almost every
person at my field and other fields locally have. If we did,
I know of many people at my field that would buy one. They
have told me so. Every time I bring a new plane to the
field, people ask me how much, and where can they get one.
When I tell em how much, their face drops...Wanna grow
pattern, do something like Hester. He's on the right track
IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger magazines, how many
pattern planes do you see in those ads? <BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf
size=3>Chris </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, John
Pavlick <I><jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow
Pattern<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> Interesting observations. In my neck of
the woods (Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or
Pattern competition so I don't see any of this.
Part of the reason for that is that it's hard to
find large, open areas where you're allowed to fly
model airplanes. Let alone have an organized
contest. My state pretty much sucks in that regard.
There sems to be plenty of room for shopping centers
and "retirement communities" however.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even with these restrictions, I've managed to
enlighten a few people and make them aware of
Precision Aerobatics. By this I mean IMAC AND
Pattern. Some people just don't want to fly Pattern,
whereas others simply don't want to fly IMAC. That's
fine as far as I'm concerned but the point is they
need to know about them. That's where I think
Patttern and the NSRCA suffers the most. People
simply don't know that we exist. We need to increase
our visibility if we want to attract new members. We
DON'T need to change anything with how we fly, how
we judge, etc. At least not to attract new people.
All we need to do is let them know we're here and
that they can fly with us if they want to. No
pressure to join. Just take your basic sport model
to a contest and fly a few rounds in Sportsman.
Don't buy a new radio or airplane. Don't worry about
the weight or size. Just show up. If we want to grow
Patttern, that's one of the things that we
need to do. If printed copies of the K-Factor at
local hobby shops will help with that cause (it just
might), then send me a box so I can drop them
off. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - I actually did learn about the NSRCA
through the K-Factor after a club member handed me a
copy that he picked up somewhere. Once I knew
that Patttern was still alive in my area (I had
taken a LONG hiatus) I built a new airplane,
started going to contests and joined the
NSRCA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US
SSA) <I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper
K-Factor Poll<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JN
– there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern
than the traceable history to the TOC or available
ARF scenario. I think Jay hit on it
something important other day stating something to
the effect that, “… if you are not in FAI or
Masters you are left on your own.” (forgive
me if it wasn’t Jay or I misquoted). Pattern
and IMAC are totally different in many ways and
being that I’m involved in the District/Leadership
of each, I’ll list a few in no particular
order:</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50
person contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced,
and 40 persons spread almost equally between the
lower classes</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>2.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread
between lower classes.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>3.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a
money-making event. Not so sure for the
pattern event.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>4.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC:
IMAC changes sequences yearly and has unknowns
flown each contest, all classes except for
Basic. IMAC classes get harder in a
hurry. For instance the intermediate class
will have a 90 degree rolling turn in it and
numerous snaps rolls, also a spin.
There is no mercy on unknowns… sometimes they are
more difficult than the normal sequence, sometimes
easier, sometimes just different. There is
not an expectation that all pilots will reach the
“destination” class. There is no destination
class in IMAC. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>5.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot
is a fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is
learning the precision side of things. You might
watch a OK sequence, but later in the evening see
them throwing it down on the deck in aggressive
Freestyle most of us would dare try. The
Pattern guys grow-up precision and can fly a
higher scoring stall turn and have better
sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but lack
in some of the other R/C roundness.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>6.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly
pattern” in them. I’ve heard it all as to
why they stopped flying pattern and here it is
(believe me or not , up to you):</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>b.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I
practiced, I couldn’t improve my scores or beat
that one guy</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>c.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>d.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>e.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top
guys” that only fly IMAC now</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>7.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box, with
a centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of
writing sequences with “sort of left, sort of
right” maneuvers. I understand why it is
done and such, but I’d take the box anyday.
Flying the box in pattern is its
“own-significant-difficulty” which makes the less
complex maneuvers harder to do. The IMAC way
lets them “load-up” each maneuver into a
super-complex deal – very hard to score well I may
add too. However, its all part of the
pie.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>8.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences the
best. This is cool because often you can
“beat” a better pilot, by flying the maneuver you
need to know how to do better than the other
guys. In IMAC, usually the “best” pilots
wins, because it is a combination of flying the
known and unknown. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>9.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly
well. Pattern planes are less affected by
small changes in atmospheric conditions, or
good/bad engine days – IE -- you almost
always have enough power in a pattern plane
regardless of sequence flown. IMAC -
totally different. Humidity (specifically),
can DRASTICALLY affect the speed of your
plane. Power requirements change hugely with
sequence/class changes. For instance,
unlimited need a truly unlimited power
setup. Not so easy to move up without
changing equipment. A 40% plane is easier to
fly “wings-level”, but the judging penalties are
0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point per 15
degrees. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>10.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA
stance is on judging right now. In IMAC,
there is HUGE $$$ spent on judging programs,
seminars, and creating a national standard for
judging. How do they do this? They fly
in people from all around the country for a
national-type of judge certification. These
guys then go forth and carry the message.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
do they do this? Because they know that
regional differences and biases, or cheating of
any kind, can kill-off an organization. They
put a huge leadership and organizational priority
on getting judging right. – if you know me –
you know I like that. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
there are many, many differences between the
two. Personally, I gravitate towards flying
the pattern plane. However, the
“competitive” factors in IMAC are solid too and
given the activity around my neck of the woods,
you can’t pass it up. So what’s the point, I
guess the point still is that the total
formula is working for IMAC. The NSRCA
formula is not. What can we take from the
differences to tune-up our own game? And
regarding the K-factor – in today’s economy it is
hard to justify business decisions that don’t
break even. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>J N Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper
K-Factor Poll</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC v/s Pattern is almost
an apples to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity
can be traced to the TOC and the general appeal of
large colorful high performance readily available
aircraft but mostly <U>visibility</U>. Pattern
flying is absent from many local clubs but large
aerobatic airplanes are represented nearly
everywhere. The big airplanes attract the press
and interests spectators. Pattern by comparison is
extremely repetitious and boring to those not
directly involved. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't want to get into
this here but I question how many non-pattern
folks would read a free K-Factor. There is a free
sample available there now. Is anybody finding it?
The problem I find is "Pattern" visibility. I
couldn't get Google to find the NSRCA when
querying aerobatics, RC aerobatics or pattern,
however IMAC showed up. It's as if some amount of
prior knowledge is needed before an outsider can
gain access to pattern activity.
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA doesn't do a very good
of job explaining competition events or activity
and if you don't know follow the SIG you are kind
of out of luck. How dose an outsider become aware
of and interested in any competition event without
knowing where to look? </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for the K-Factor, the
publication is second to none. I have been
receiving them since it was several folded 11 x 14
sheets from a copy machine. The content has for
the most part remained about the same; mostly
contest results and district news. It's more of a
competition newsletter with content of interest to
those involved and of questionable interest to
outsiders or the mildly interested. There is
little seed for growing interest in any rulebook
event on the Internet. It only happens at the
local level with people having fun.
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be active competitors
in either IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount
of disposable income and time commitment. We draw
from the same shrinking pool of people willing to
commit to a weekend out of town to participate in
what appears to be a very regimented activity
flown near the limit of visibility for many.
Bigger really is better and we (Pattern) is
somewhat restricted by trying to remain compatible
with FAI.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have probably gone on
too long but I don't believe our salvation lies in
a free K-Factor, not that it shouldn't be, it just
won't draw many to our sport.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry Derek, forgive me
for splattering this even more.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim Hiller</SPAN></SPAN>
</P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Troy Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper
K-Factor Poll</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim,</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and
Sothern California IMAC contests attract 60-70
pilots.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an
online only newsletter. Not even a
magazine.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization
that is successful like that.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just
IMACers</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Just
something to think about.</SPAN> </P>
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