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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt, all I can say is that without the NSRCA, we
probably wouldn't even be having this discussion. If you have specific
issues with what NSRCA does, then as a member, you should be lobbying your
district VP and other NSRCA officers with the issues and changes that you care
about. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mjfrederick@cox.net href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">Matthew
Frederick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did
you join the NSRCA?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh, forgot to say one thing: yes those
contests/judging clinics are being run by NSRCA members. But affiliation with
the NSRCA is coincidental, not a requisite qualification for holding a contest
or clinic, and it never should be.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did
you join the NSRCA?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Probably the most important thing to understand
about supporting the SIG that promotes your interests in Precision
Aerobatics before the AMA. It is also the case that the majority of
contests are being organized and run by NSRCA members, as are judging
clinics, championship point systems and year end awards. I don't want
to make this long winded, but NSRCA is the driving force behind what
we do in Pattern, so on that basis alone it is in your interest as a Pattern
competitor to see it maintain a healthy status. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mjfrederick@cox.net href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">Matthew
Frederick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why
did you join the NSRCA?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All very good points. I too have not renewed
yet this year because being a member was not of much value to me. The main
reason I was a member was to get the K-Factor. 3 times last year I did not
get my copy in the mail. Furthermore, as pointed out below, the internet
has eliminated the need to post contest results in the district
columns. Nothing wrong with a narrative about the contest, but wasting
space with pictures and results that have already been perused by those
who care on the internet is just that, a waste. I know how much we
struggle for content, but it's a waste of the organization's money to
print 34 pages of stuff nobody really needs to read again.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=davidmichael1@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidmichael1@comcast.net">davidmichael1@comcast.net</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009
1:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why
did you join the NSRCA?</DIV>
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<P>Some good discussion today. Hope I can add a different
perspective. I joined NSRCA last year- part way through the year-
with the plan to begin flying some pattern (I flew one pattern
contest and six IMAC). I still plan on flying in a couple pattern
contests this year and in the future.</P>
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<P>I tend to agree that pattern and IMAC are just different- but it's
still precision aerobatics at its heart. Having said that I think
that the IMAC guys have been much more active in promoting their cause
and making sure that the organization gives value back for the
membership. I also agree that IMAC has the real advantage of high
end money events (TOC, Masters, Tuscon Shootout and now Clover
Creek) but this is kind of a chicken and egg thing- is IMAC big because
of the events or is it the other way around? And there is no
discounting the value of having so many IMAC planes of all sizes
available on the market right now- but again, why is that? More
people like them.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Having said all this, I do believe NSRCA can improve, raise
visibility, its value and membership if it wants to. I do not mean
any of the following to offend or belittle the work that has been done
by NSRCA officers or volunteers- but I think it is worth saying
that what NSRCA membership offers, the K-Factor and the
website- the big three marketing vehicles- is not where it needs to be
anymore.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>1) I haven't yet re-joined NSRCA- if I do it will be just
to support the organization, so the question in my mind is "is it
worth joining?" After trying it out, my perception is
that the value, to me, of an NSRCA membership is not that
great. I understand that the organization provides new
sequences every few years and a voice with the AMA- but what else?
Part of growing an organization is merchandising what you have done for
its members. I may be missing the value- so I say advertise what
NSRCA membership offers- if it's not enough then the NSRCA needs to
figure out how to fix that. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>2) I know now that it is plainly stated but I have to mention that I
didn't like that the membership ended at the end of the year- I
didn't get a full year out of my membership. I would like to see
memberships end on the one year anniversary- not the calendar
year. By the way, when I sign into the IMAC site it says what my
membership is good through and I can print out a membership card
anytime.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>3) Honestly, I see the K-Factor as "old news" by the time I get
it. These days the expectation is to get news instantly- for
example contest results or articles. With sites like RCU and
Flying Giants, you can even get mid-contest results after the first
day. The IMAC site, by comparison, provides quick updates on
contests results and an archive of past contests.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>4) I think the NSRCA website needs to be more robust and be
updated more frequently if it is intended to attract and keep
members. I thank all who have and are working on the site now- but
I am struggling to find a way to say this without offending or being
ungrateful- so I'll just say it- take a look at the IMAC site and
compare: <A href="http://www.mini-iac.com">www.mini-iac.com</A>
</P>
<P> </P>
<P>5) For what it's worth I would like to see new sequences every year
and unknowns. I mentioned this about a year ago on this same list
and the majority of responses were against unknowns. If I recall
correctly there were many who felt that they wouldn't want to have an
unknown decide their placing. To me, sequences that change
annually and being able to fly an unknown is a true indicator of your
flying skills- as opposed to just getting good at a set of manuevers
that you have been flying for 2-3 years over and over again. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Dave</P>
<P> </P>
<P><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Anthony Romano"
<anthonyr105@hotmail.com><BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009
10:15:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Why did you join the NSRCA?<BR><BR>
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Lots of interesting discussion here but not a lot of solutions.
Maybe a survey of the membership as to why they join the NSRCA.
<BR> What is the value of the K-factor to the members? What is the
draw of the K-factor to our advertisers? <BR> <BR> Maybe
even the more fundamental question of why are we drawn to pattern over
the other various R/C disciplines now available. Knowing your customer
is the key to making a sale.<BR> <BR> For me I was drawn to
the sleek airplanes and the elusive grace and smoothness of a pattern
flight. Nothing gives me the same satisfaction of the Zen of that
effortless great round. <BR> As for the NSRCA I join to support
pattern and help the efforts of all the people who work so hard to make
these events happen.<BR><BR>Anthony<BR> <BR><BR>
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