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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi, Ed:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not necessarily saying that any/all patterns should be
changed at the drop of a hat; basically I agree with you on that, for
sure. It's not the difficulty in coming up with sequences; I did it for
all classes in my IMAC district, when I authored unknowns for the CD to use, if
he saw fit. Some used mine, others used their own. Great! In
Pattern, the reasoning, as espoused for having near-static sequences in all but
Masters and FAI, seems to be that nobody wants to recognize that there are some
folks, who, for whatever reason, will be in one of the lower classes for quite
some time. It's taken for granted that everything but Masters, is strictly
transitional. Many times, this is not the case; there are many of us who,
for different reasons are, ipso facto, virtually locked into one of the lower
classes. It is to be decided whether or not these folks presence at
contests is to be tolerated, or if it is desirable to have them go away, out of
sheer boredom. Not my decision, of course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>To counter a misconception written by another party; Sequences
for IMAC must be approved by the AMA also as ours in Pattern must; it's just
that IMAC will, if necessary, change or use whatever best suits the sport, as
it's required. A few years ago, there was a rebellion in the IMAC Advanced
ranks; those folks hated a figure that had been published and approved.
The IMAC folks just simply changed the sequence; no big fanfare, no dissension,
it was just changed to suit the competitors involved. Guess what?
The sky didn't fall. The world went on as before. I guess one of the
things presently lacking is fluidity. Again, not my decision.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As for my thinking being an opinion of one person, you may
remember the comprehensive survey done by Eric Henderson a few years ago.
The lower classes voted for frequent sequence changes, by a score of nearly
80%</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry to be so long winded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Got it! I've discussed the reasons why
Pattern doesn't change the sequences for all classes in the same cycle and I
think it comes down to this. There is a much more deeply held belief in
Pattern that you have to use each class as a real training ground to build
essential skills before moving up. Changing the sequences for the sale
of change doesn't support that goal as well as leaving them stable for a
period of time. Now it may be that they should change more frequently than
they do, but I think that it's probably not correct to change too
rapidly. One thing I saw happen in IMAC as the years progressed, was an
ever increasing level of difficulty in the lower classes. I think it
gets away from the idea of progressively building fundamental skills, but
maybe that doesn't matter so much when centering and box boundaries are
meaningless, and snap rolls are sprinkled all over the place to compensate for
shorter sequences (keeps the K-factors up). I guess it gets back to what
I was originally saying; it's just a different event in more ways than the
size and appearance of the airplanes. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry, Ed:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I put it wrongly, and I guess pretty obscurely,
also. What I meant was, when you and I were on the BOD of IMAC, all
classes were regarded equally; when sequences changed, they were changed
across the board, with all classes receiving equal attention. Their
philosophy remains the same; all classes are equally regarded, and new
sequences installed annually. As far as I know that is still the
bedrock of IMAC. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009 11:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wasn't aware that IMAC isn't all of the
sequences annually anymore. When did that change?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009 4:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together, ALL
the classes were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences on a
regular basis; not just the Unlimited contestants.. Bill
Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>
; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009
9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that a lot of the appeal of IMAC
is due to the airplanes that are available. Another factor that
has appeal is that sequences are different every year, and also, the
unknown sequences at most every contest is popular as well. I
flew nothing but IMAC from '97 through '03 and it was fun while it
lasted. After a while, I couldn't live with the changes they
were making and I ended up here. Both IMAC and Pattern have been
great fun and great learning experiences, but I do have to say that I
have learned more in Pattern overall. I also enjoy it
more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think maybe it boils down to a few
subtle things that are just different in people. I am pretty
much a purist, and what drove me away from IMAC was when they ditched
the aerobatic box (except in theory), when they decided that factoring
centering into scoring was unfair, and when they purposely added
subjective scoring. It just grated at me and I knew I could not
enjoy it any longer after they did that. Pattern isn't like
that, and that's why I like it so much better. It allows me to
tolerate the idiosyncrasies of glow vs. gas, allows me to put up with
not being able to see a smaller model as well, but I do it because I
like the way the event is structured. There are great people and
good friends in both events, but I do what I do because it fits me
better. We can tweak our website and restructure our
publication, and it's all good stuff, but at the end of the day,
you're going to do what you do because it fits you best. My $.02
FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29,
2009 10:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well said John.. <BR><BR>On another note,
didn't this start out as a "please take an online vote"
email.<BR><BR>On even another note, Imac is a different bird.
More people may be interested in flying IMAC IMO because there
is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great impact so that
anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are really into the
foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and
impressive. We lack this fun type of flying in their minds.
(Not to me, 3d is somewhat boring to me, except for
foamies)<BR>As someone stated earlier, pattern doesn't have
the market flooded with $400-500 arfs that almost every person
at my field and other fields locally have. If we did, I know
of many people at my field that would buy one. They have told
me so. Every time I bring a new plane to the field, people ask
me how much, and where can they get one. When I tell em how
much, their face drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like
Hester. He's on the right track IMO. Look at all the ads in
the larger magazines, how many pattern planes do you see in
those ads? <BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf
size=3>Chris </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, John Pavlick
<I><jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Thursday,
January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> Interesting observations. In my neck of the
woods (Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or Pattern
competition so I don't see any of this. Part of
the reason for that is that it's hard to find large,
open areas where you're allowed to fly model
airplanes. Let alone have an organized contest. My
state pretty much sucks in that regard. There sems to
be plenty of room for shopping centers and "retirement
communities" however.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even with these restrictions, I've managed to
enlighten a few people and make them aware of
Precision Aerobatics. By this I mean IMAC AND
Pattern. Some people just don't want to fly Pattern,
whereas others simply don't want to fly IMAC. That's
fine as far as I'm concerned but the point is they
need to know about them. That's where I think
Patttern and the NSRCA suffers the most. People simply
don't know that we exist. We need to increase our
visibility if we want to attract new members. We DON'T
need to change anything with how we fly, how we judge,
etc. At least not to attract new people. All we need
to do is let them know we're here and that they can
fly with us if they want to. No pressure to join. Just
take your basic sport model to a contest and fly a few
rounds in Sportsman. Don't buy a new radio or
airplane. Don't worry about the weight or size. Just
show up. If we want to grow Patttern, that's one
of the things that we need to do. If printed
copies of the K-Factor at local hobby shops will help
with that cause (it just might), then send me a box
so I can drop them off. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - I actually did learn about the NSRCA
through the K-Factor after a club member handed me a
copy that he picked up somewhere. Once I knew
that Patttern was still alive in my area (I had taken
a LONG hiatus) I built a new airplane, started
going to contests and joined the NSRCA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US
SSA) <I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JN
– there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern
than the traceable history to the TOC or available
ARF scenario. I think Jay hit on it something
important other day stating something to the effect
that, “… if you are not in FAI or Masters you are
left on your own.” (forgive me if it wasn’t
Jay or I misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are
totally different in many ways and being that I’m
involved in the District/Leadership of each, I’ll
list a few in no particular order:</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50
person contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced,
and 40 persons spread almost equally between the
lower classes</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>2.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread
between lower classes.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>3.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern
event.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>4.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC:
IMAC changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown
each contest, all classes except for Basic.
IMAC classes get harder in a hurry. For
instance the intermediate class will have a 90
degree rolling turn in it and numerous snaps rolls,
also a spin. There is no mercy on
unknowns… sometimes they are more difficult than the
normal sequence, sometimes easier, sometimes just
different. There is not an expectation that
all pilots will reach the “destination” class.
There is no destination class in IMAC.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>5.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is
a fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the
precision side of things. You might watch a OK
sequence, but later in the evening see them throwing
it down on the deck in aggressive Freestyle most of
us would dare try. The Pattern guys grow-up
precision and can fly a higher scoring stall turn
and have better sequence-fundamentals (and
positioning), but lack in some of the other R/C
roundness.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>6.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly
pattern” in them. I’ve heard it all as to why
they stopped flying pattern and here it is (believe
me or not , up to you):</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>b.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I
practiced, I couldn’t improve my scores or beat that
one guy</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>c.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>d.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>e.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys”
that only fly IMAC now</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>7.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box, with a
centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing
sequences with “sort of left, sort of right”
maneuvers. I understand why it is done and
such, but I’d take the box anyday. Flying the
box in pattern is its “own-significant-difficulty”
which makes the less complex maneuvers harder to
do. The IMAC way lets them “load-up” each
maneuver into a super-complex deal – very hard to
score well I may add too. However, its all
part of the pie.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>8.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences the
best. This is cool because often you can
“beat” a better pilot, by flying the maneuver you
need to know how to do better than the other
guys. In IMAC, usually the “best” pilots wins,
because it is a combination of flying the known and
unknown. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>9.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly
well. Pattern planes are less affected by
small changes in atmospheric conditions, or good/bad
engine days – IE -- you almost always have
enough power in a pattern plane regardless of
sequence flown. IMAC - totally
different. Humidity (specifically), can
DRASTICALLY affect the speed of your plane.
Power requirements change hugely with sequence/class
changes. For instance, unlimited need a truly
unlimited power setup. Not so easy to move up
without changing equipment. A 40% plane is
easier to fly “wings-level”, but the judging
penalties are 0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1
point per 15 degrees. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>10.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA stance
is on judging right now. In IMAC, there is
HUGE $$$ spent on judging programs, seminars, and
creating a national standard for judging. How
do they do this? They fly in people from all
around the country for a national-type of judge
certification. These guys then go forth and
carry the message.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
do they do this? Because they know that
regional differences and biases, or cheating of any
kind, can kill-off an organization. They put a
huge leadership and organizational priority on
getting judging right. – if you know me – you
know I like that. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
there are many, many differences between the
two. Personally, I gravitate towards flying
the pattern plane. However, the “competitive”
factors in IMAC are solid too and given the activity
around my neck of the woods, you can’t pass it
up. So what’s the point, I guess the point
still is that the total formula is working for
IMAC. The NSRCA formula is not. What can
we take from the differences to tune-up our own
game? And regarding the K-factor – in today’s
economy it is hard to justify business decisions
that don’t break even. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>J N Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC v/s Pattern is almost
an apples to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can
be traced to the TOC and the general appeal of large
colorful high performance readily available aircraft
but mostly <U>visibility</U>. Pattern flying is
absent from many local clubs but large aerobatic
airplanes are represented nearly everywhere. The big
airplanes attract the press and interests
spectators. Pattern by comparison is extremely
repetitious and boring to those not directly
involved. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't want to get into
this here but I question how many non-pattern folks
would read a free K-Factor. There is a free sample
available there now. Is anybody finding it? The
problem I find is "Pattern" visibility. I couldn't
get Google to find the NSRCA when querying
aerobatics, RC aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC
showed up. It's as if some amount of prior knowledge
is needed before an outsider can gain access to
pattern activity. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA doesn't do a very good
of job explaining competition events or activity and
if you don't know follow the SIG you are kind of out
of luck. How dose an outsider become aware of and
interested in any competition event without knowing
where to look? </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for the K-Factor, the
publication is second to none. I have been receiving
them since it was several folded 11 x 14 sheets from
a copy machine. The content has for the most part
remained about the same; mostly contest results and
district news. It's more of a competition newsletter
with content of interest to those involved and of
questionable interest to outsiders or the mildly
interested. There is little seed for growing
interest in any rulebook event on the Internet. It
only happens at the local level with people having
fun. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be active competitors in
either IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of
disposable income and time commitment. We draw from
the same shrinking pool of people willing to commit
to a weekend out of town to participate in what
appears to be a very regimented activity flown near
the limit of visibility for many. Bigger really is
better and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by
trying to remain compatible with FAI.</SPAN></SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have probably gone on too
long but I don't believe our salvation lies in a
free K-Factor, not that it shouldn't be, it just
won't draw many to our sport.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry Derek, forgive me for
splattering this even more.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim Hiller</SPAN></SPAN>
</P>
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Troy Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
January 28, 2009 3:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim,</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and Sothern
California IMAC contests attract 60-70
pilots.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an
online only newsletter. Not even a magazine.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization that
is successful like that.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just
IMACers</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Just
something to think about.</SPAN> </P>
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