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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Sorry about the subject line - that was my
fault. You can smack me in the head at the WRAM show. :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get the same reaction - many people think we're
still flying ballistic Pattern. Of course I actually was until about 3
years ago. LOL I noticed that there is some stuff on the NSRCA site that
explains how to get started in Pattern. Maybe we could post a link to this
section somewhere on RCU. I think just creating more exposure would help a lot.
Not that EVERYONE is going to become a Pattern pilot. It's not for everyone. We
just need to find the people who can't find us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:28
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Grow
Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Vince:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The morphed subject line was driving me
nuts! One of the best surprises I had when I started in Pattern in '04
was the lower cost compared to IMAC. I picked up a Focus II and a used Focus I
and had a successful 1st year. I carried both </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>airplanes everywhere I went, and it paid off. I couldn't afford
to do that in IMAC. Pattern can still be much cheaper than IMAC, but you
have to work at it since the airplane selection does limit choices.
You're correct that it does not require a full blown 2M airplane to be
competitive in the first few Pattern classes. That is proven all the time in
D1. Some good choices have been listed for airplanes in the .90 to 1.20
power class which fly quite well. Every year at the WRAMS show we
display an affordable airplane like the Quest, Venus, and now the
Aquila. We get a lot of questions and I think it helps people understand
that the barriers for entry are no where near as high as they might believe.
You may also be surprised how many guys still think Pattern is about flying a
rip snorting, retract equipped bullet from horizon to horizon. The
display model is the first step towards changing their awareness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vicenterc@comcast.net
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:06
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P>IMAC is changing the all sequences for all classes every year. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Here my experience/suggestions. There are not too many IMAC
contests close to Kansas City. In the last few years this situation is
changing. This year we are going to have one in Kansas
City. I tried to do 2 IMAC contests per year if I have
chance. In contrast, we have around 8 pattern
contest within 300 miles of Kansas City. I do 5-7 pattern
contest every year. I see the following issues that could
be affecting both pattern and IMAC equally. IMAC pilots have the
pressure to buy 40% planes because they fly better. It is amazing to
see all the basic class pilots with 35-40% planes. As we
know the 40% planes are very expensive. When you go to contest is hard
to find lower classes flying 50 cc planes or smaller. I see the
same problem in pattern. The perception that 2 meter
plane is required in lower classes is could be one issue. I wonder if
we just need to change the first class rules to allow smaller planes
only (yes limit the upper size to something smaller than 2 meter, now weight
limit). For IMAC less than 50 cc on basic class will very good
idea.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>I am going to practice today. It is warmer in KC.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Vicente Bortone </P>
<P><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ed Alt"
<ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009
10:53:33 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR><BR></P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wasn't aware that IMAC isn't all of the
sequences annually anymore. When did that change?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"
target=_blank>billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General
pattern discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009 4:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together, ALL
the classes were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences on a
regular basis; not just the Unlimited contestants.. Bill
Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General
pattern discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" target=_blank>jpavlick@idseng.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009
9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that a lot of the appeal of IMAC is
due to the airplanes that are available. Another factor that has
appeal is that sequences are different every year, and also, the unknown
sequences at most every contest is popular as well. I flew nothing
but IMAC from '97 through '03 and it was fun while it lasted.
After a while, I couldn't live with the changes they were making and I
ended up here. Both IMAC and Pattern have been great fun and great
learning experiences, but I do have to say that I have learned more in
Pattern overall. I also enjoy it more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think maybe it boils down to a few subtle
things that are just different in people. I am pretty much a
purist, and what drove me away from IMAC was when they ditched the
aerobatic box (except in theory), when they decided that factoring
centering into scoring was unfair, and when they purposely added
subjective scoring. It just grated at me and I knew I could not
enjoy it any longer after they did that. Pattern isn't like that,
and that's why I like it so much better. It allows me to tolerate
the idiosyncrasies of glow vs. gas, allows me to put up with not being
able to see a smaller model as well, but I do it because I like the way
the event is structured. There are great people and good friends
in both events, but I do what I do because it fits me better. We
can tweak our website and restructure our publication, and it's all
good stuff, but at the end of the day, you're going to do what you do
because it fits you best. My $.02 FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" target=_blank>krishlan
fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General
pattern discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"
target=_blank>jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009
10:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well said John.. <BR><BR>On another note, didn't
this start out as a "please take an online vote"
email.<BR><BR>On even another note, Imac is a different bird.
More people may be interested in flying IMAC IMO because there
is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great impact so that
anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are really into the
foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and impressive.
We lack this fun type of flying in their minds. (Not to me, 3d
is somewhat boring to me, except for foamies)<BR>As someone
stated earlier, pattern doesn't have the market flooded with
$400-500 arfs that almost every person at my field and other
fields locally have. If we did, I know of many people at my
field that would buy one. They have told me so. Every time I
bring a new plane to the field, people ask me how much, and
where can they get one. When I tell em how much, their face
drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester. He's on
the right track IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger
magazines, how many pattern planes do you see in those ads?
<BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf
size=3>Chris </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, John Pavlick
<I><jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Thursday,
January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> Interesting observations. In my neck of the
woods (Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or Pattern
competition so I don't see any of this. Part of the
reason for that is that it's hard to find large, open
areas where you're allowed to fly model airplanes. Let
alone have an organized contest. My state pretty much
sucks in that regard. There sems to be plenty of room
for shopping centers and "retirement communities"
however.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even with these restrictions, I've managed to
enlighten a few people and make them aware of Precision
Aerobatics. By this I mean IMAC AND Pattern. Some
people just don't want to fly Pattern, whereas others
simply don't want to fly IMAC. That's fine as far as I'm
concerned but the point is they need to know about them.
That's where I think Patttern and the NSRCA suffers
the most. People simply don't know that we exist. We
need to increase our visibility if we want to attract
new members. We DON'T need to change anything with how
we fly, how we judge, etc. At least not to attract new
people. All we need to do is let them know we're here
and that they can fly with us if they want to. No
pressure to join. Just take your basic sport model to a
contest and fly a few rounds in Sportsman. Don't buy a
new radio or airplane. Don't worry about the weight or
size. Just show up. If we want to grow Patttern,
that's one of the things that we need to do.
If printed copies of the K-Factor at local hobby shops
will help with that cause (it just might), then send me
a box so I can drop them off. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - I actually did learn about the NSRCA through
the K-Factor after a club member handed me a copy that
he picked up somewhere. Once I knew that Patttern
was still alive in my area (I had taken a LONG
hiatus) I built a new airplane, started going to
contests and joined the NSRCA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JN
– there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern than
the traceable history to the TOC or available ARF
scenario. I think Jay hit on it something
important other day stating something to the effect
that, “… if you are not in FAI or Masters you are left
on your own.” (forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I
misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are totally
different in many ways and being that I’m involved in
the District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a few in no
particular order:</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person
contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40
persons spread almost equally between the lower
classes</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>2.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread
between lower classes.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>3.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern event.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>4.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC
changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each
contest, all classes except for Basic. IMAC
classes get harder in a hurry. For instance the
intermediate class will have a 90 degree rolling turn
in it and numerous snaps rolls, also a
spin. There is no mercy on unknowns…
sometimes they are more difficult than the normal
sequence, sometimes easier, sometimes just
different. There is not an expectation that all
pilots will reach the “destination” class. There
is no destination class in IMAC. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>5.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is a
fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the
precision side of things. You might watch a OK
sequence, but later in the evening see them throwing
it down on the deck in aggressive Freestyle most of us
would dare try. The Pattern guys grow-up
precision and can fly a higher scoring stall turn and
have better sequence-fundamentals (and positioning),
but lack in some of the other R/C roundness.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>6.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly
pattern” in them. I’ve heard it all as to why
they stopped flying pattern and here it is (believe me
or not , up to you):</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>b.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I practiced,
I couldn’t improve my scores or beat that one
guy</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>c.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>d.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>e.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys”
that only fly IMAC now</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>7.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box, with a
centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing
sequences with “sort of left, sort of right”
maneuvers. I understand why it is done and such,
but I’d take the box anyday. Flying the box in
pattern is its “own-significant-difficulty” which
makes the less complex maneuvers harder to do.
The IMAC way lets them “load-up” each maneuver into a
super-complex deal – very hard to score well I may add
too. However, its all part of the pie.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>8.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences the
best. This is cool because often you can “beat”
a better pilot, by flying the maneuver you need to
know how to do better than the other guys. In
IMAC, usually the “best” pilots wins, because it is a
combination of flying the known and unknown.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>9.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly
well. Pattern planes are less affected by small
changes in atmospheric conditions, or good/bad engine
days – IE -- you almost always have enough power
in a pattern plane regardless of sequence flown.
IMAC - totally different. Humidity
(specifically), can DRASTICALLY affect the speed of
your plane. Power requirements change hugely
with sequence/class changes. For instance,
unlimited need a truly unlimited power setup.
Not so easy to move up without changing
equipment. A 40% plane is easier to fly
“wings-level”, but the judging penalties are 0.5 point
per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point per 15 degrees.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>10.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA stance
is on judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE
$$$ spent on judging programs, seminars, and creating
a national standard for judging. How do they do
this? They fly in people from all around the
country for a national-type of judge
certification. These guys then go forth and
carry the message.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
do they do this? Because they know that regional
differences and biases, or cheating of any kind, can
kill-off an organization. They put a huge
leadership and organizational priority on getting
judging right. – if you know me – you know I
like that. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
there are many, many differences between the
two. Personally, I gravitate towards flying the
pattern plane. However, the “competitive”
factors in IMAC are solid too and given the activity
around my neck of the woods, you can’t pass it
up. So what’s the point, I guess the point still
is that the total formula is working for
IMAC. The NSRCA formula is not. What can
we take from the differences to tune-up our own
game? And regarding the K-factor – in today’s
economy it is hard to justify business decisions that
don’t break even. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>J N Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC v/s Pattern is almost an
apples to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can be
traced to the TOC and the general appeal of large
colorful high performance readily available aircraft
but mostly <U>visibility</U>. Pattern flying is absent
from many local clubs but large aerobatic airplanes
are represented nearly everywhere. The big airplanes
attract the press and interests spectators. Pattern by
comparison is extremely repetitious and boring to
those not directly involved. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't want to get into this
here but I question how many non-pattern folks would
read a free K-Factor. There is a free sample available
there now. Is anybody finding it? The problem I find
is "Pattern" visibility. I couldn't get Google to find
the NSRCA when querying aerobatics, RC aerobatics or
pattern, however IMAC showed up. It's as if some
amount of prior knowledge is needed before an outsider
can gain access to pattern activity.
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA doesn't do a very good of
job explaining competition events or activity and if
you don't know follow the SIG you are kind of out of
luck. How dose an outsider become aware of and
interested in any competition event without knowing
where to look? </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for the K-Factor, the
publication is second to none. I have been receiving
them since it was several folded 11 x 14 sheets from a
copy machine. The content has for the most part
remained about the same; mostly contest results and
district news. It's more of a competition newsletter
with content of interest to those involved and of
questionable interest to outsiders or the mildly
interested. There is little seed for growing interest
in any rulebook event on the Internet. It only happens
at the local level with people having fun.
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be active competitors in
either IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of
disposable income and time commitment. We draw from
the same shrinking pool of people willing to commit to
a weekend out of town to participate in what appears
to be a very regimented activity flown near the limit
of visibility for many. Bigger really is better and we
(Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying to remain
compatible with FAI.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have probably gone on too
long but I don't believe our salvation lies in a free
K-Factor, not that it shouldn't be, it just won't draw
many to our sport.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry Derek, forgive me for
splattering this even more.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim Hiller</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Troy Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
January 28, 2009 3:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim,</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and Sothern
California IMAC contests attract 60-70 pilots.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an
online only newsletter. Not even a magazine.</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization that
is successful like that.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just
IMACers</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Just
something to think about.</SPAN> </P>
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