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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A BIG difference is that the IMAC schedules are an addendum to
the rulebook and DON’T have to go thru a rules cycle to change. We’ve tried
this and failed to get it past the AMA. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Plano, TX<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>AMA 3408 NSRCA 877<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>PACSS.sgmservice.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>billglaze<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sorry, Ed:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I put it wrongly, and I guess
pretty obscurely, also. What I meant was, when you and I were on the BOD
of IMAC, all classes were regarded equally; when sequences changed, they were
changed across the board, with all classes receiving equal attention.
Their philosophy remains the same; all classes are equally regarded, and new
sequences installed annually. As far as I know that is still the bedrock
of IMAC. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bill Glaze</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"
title="ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, January 30,
2009 11:53 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi
Bill:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
wasn't aware that IMAC isn't all of the sequences annually anymore. When
did that change?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"
title="billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, January 30,
2009 4:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Also, Ed, you'll remember
when we served together, ALL the classes were regarded equally, all receiving
new sequences on a regular basis; not just the Unlimited contestants..
Bill Glaze</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"
title="ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" title="homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> ; <a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, January
29, 2009 9:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
think that a lot of the appeal of IMAC is due to the airplanes that are
available. Another factor that has appeal is that sequences are different
every year, and also, the unknown sequences at most every contest is popular as
well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97 through '03 and it was fun while
it lasted. After a while, I couldn't live with the changes they were
making and I ended up here. Both IMAC and Pattern have been great fun and
great learning experiences, but I do have to say that I have learned more in
Pattern overall. I also enjoy it more.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
think maybe it boils down to a few subtle things that are just different in
people. I am pretty much a purist, and what drove me away from IMAC was
when they ditched the aerobatic box (except in theory), when they decided that
factoring centering into scoring was unfair, and when they purposely added
subjective scoring. It just grated at me and I knew I could not enjoy it
any longer after they did that. Pattern isn't like that, and that's why I
like it so much better. It allows me to tolerate the idiosyncrasies of
glow vs. gas, allows me to put up with not being able to see a smaller model as
well, but I do it because I like the way the event is structured. There
are great people and good friends in both events, but I do what I do because it
fits me better. We can tweak our website and restructure our
publication, and it's all good stuff, but at the end of the day, you're going
to do what you do because it fits you best. My $.02 FWIW.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com"
title="homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> ; <a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, January
29, 2009 10:39 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well said John.. <br>
<br>
On another note, didn't this start out as a "please take an online
vote" email.<br>
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On even another note, Imac is a different bird. More people may be interested
in flying IMAC IMO because there is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great
impact so that anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are really into the
foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and impressive. We lack this
fun type of flying in their minds. (Not to me, 3d is somewhat boring to me,
except for foamies)<br>
As someone stated earlier, pattern doesn't have the market flooded with
$400-500 arfs that almost every person at my field and other fields locally
have. If we did, I know of many people at my field that would buy one. They
have told me so. Every time I bring a new plane to the field, people ask me
how much, and where can they get one. When I tell em how much, their face
drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester. He's on the right track
IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger magazines, how many pattern planes do
you see in those ads? <o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#0000BF'>Chris </span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Thu, 1/29/09, John Pavlick <i><jpavlick@idseng.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: John Pavlick
<jpavlick@idseng.com><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'> Interesting
observations. In my neck of the woods (Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC
or Pattern competition so I don't see any of this. Part of the reason
for that is that it's hard to find large, open areas where you're allowed
to fly model airplanes. Let alone have an organized contest. My state
pretty much sucks in that regard. There sems to be plenty of room for
shopping centers and "retirement communities" however.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'>Even with
these restrictions, I've managed to enlighten a few people and make them
aware of Precision Aerobatics. By this I mean IMAC AND Pattern. Some
people just don't want to fly Pattern, whereas others simply don't want to
fly IMAC. That's fine as far as I'm concerned but the point is they need to
know about them. That's where I think Patttern and the NSRCA suffers
the most. People simply don't know that we exist. We need to increase our
visibility if we want to attract new members. We DON'T need to change
anything with how we fly, how we judge, etc. At least not to attract new
people. All we need to do is let them know we're here and that they can fly
with us if they want to. No pressure to join. Just take your basic sport
model to a contest and fly a few rounds in Sportsman. Don't buy a new radio
or airplane. Don't worry about the weight or size. Just show up. If we want
to grow Patttern, that's one of the things that we need to do If
printed copies of the K-Factor at local hobby shops will help with that
cause (it just might), then send me a box so I can drop them off. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'>BTW - I
actually did learn about the NSRCA through the K-Factor after a club member
handed me a copy that he picked up somewhere. Once I knew that
Patttern was still alive in my area (I had taken a LONG hiatus) I
built a new airplane, started going to contests and joined the NSRCA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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--- On <b>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <i><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:
"inherit","serif"'>From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward@baesystems.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>JN – there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern than
the traceable history to the TOC or available ARF scenario. I think
Jay hit on it something important other day stating something to the effect
that, “… if you are not in FAI or Masters you are left on your own.”
(forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are
totally different in many ways and being that I’m involved in the
District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a few in no particular order:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Basic, Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person
contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40 persons spread almost
equally between the lower classes</span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sportsman, Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread between lower classes</span><span
style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>R/C Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern event.</span><span
style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>4.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC
changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each contest, all classes
except for Basic. IMAC classes get harder in a hurry. For
instance the intermediate class will have a 90 degree rolling turn in it
and numerous snaps rolls, also a spin. There is no mercy on
unknowns… sometimes they are more difficult than the normal sequence, sometimes
easier, sometimes just different. There is not an expectation that
all pilots will reach the “destination” class. There is no
destination class in IMAC. </span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>5.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Piloting differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is
a fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the precision side of
things. You might watch a OK sequence, but later in the evening see them
throwing it down on the deck in aggressive Freestyle most of us would dare
try. The Pattern guys grow-up precision and can fly a higher scoring
stall turn and have better sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but
lack in some of the other R/C roundness.</span><span style='font-family:
"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>6.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly pattern”
in them. I’ve heard it all as to why they stopped flying pattern and
here it is (believe me or not , up to you):</span><span style='font-family:
"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>a.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pattern
is too political at the top</span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>b.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I practiced, I couldn’t improve
my scores or beat that one guy</span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>c.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>d.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Didn’t
fit in</span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>e.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys” that only fly IMAC now</span><span
style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>7.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Flying/Positioning – I love the pattern way of flying in a
box, with a centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing sequences
with “sort of left, sort of right” maneuvers. I understand why it is
done and such, but I’d take the box anyday. Flying the box in pattern
is its “own-significant-difficulty” which makes the less complex maneuvers
harder to do. The IMAC way lets them “load-up” each maneuver into a
super-complex deal – very hard to score well I may add too. However,
its all part of the pie.</span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>8.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Winning? In pattern, a win means you flew the
sequences the best. This is cool because often you can “beat” a
better pilot, by flying the maneuver you need to know how to do better than
the other guys. In IMAC, usually the “best” pilots wins, because it
is a combination of flying the known and unknown. </span><span
style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>9.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Planes? Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to
fly well. Pattern planes are less affected by small changes in
atmospheric conditions, or good/bad engine days – IE -- you almost
always have enough power in a pattern plane regardless of sequence
flown. IMAC - totally different. Humidity (specifically),
can DRASTICALLY affect the speed of your plane. Power requirements
change hugely with sequence/class changes. For instance, unlimited
need a truly unlimited power setup. Not so easy to move up without
changing equipment. A 40% plane is easier to fly “wings-level”, but
the judging penalties are 0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point per
15 degrees. </span><span style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>10.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Organizational view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA
stance is on judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE $$$ spent on
judging programs, seminars, and creating a national standard for
judging. How do they do this? They fly in people from all
around the country for a national-type of judge certification. These
guys then go forth and carry the message.</span><span style='font-family:
"inherit","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>a.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why
do they do this? Because they know that regional differences and
biases, or cheating of any kind, can kill-off an organization. They
put a huge leadership and organizational priority on getting judging
right. – if you know me – you know I like that. </span><span
style='font-family:"inherit","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So, there are many, many differences between the two.
Personally, I gravitate towards flying the pattern plane. However,
the “competitive” factors in IMAC are solid too and given the activity
around my neck of the woods, you can’t pass it up. So what’s the
point, I guess the point still is that the total formula is working
for IMAC. The NSRCA formula is not. What can we take from the
differences to tune-up our own game? And regarding the K-factor – in
today’s economy it is hard to justify business decisions that don’t break
even. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J N
Hiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>IMAC v/s
Pattern is almost an apples to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can be
traced to the TOC and the general appeal of large colorful high performance
readily available aircraft but mostly <u>visibility</u>. Pattern flying is
absent from many local clubs but large aerobatic airplanes are represented
nearly everywhere. The big airplanes attract the press and interests
spectators. Pattern by comparison is extremely repetitious and boring to
those not directly involved. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I didn't want
to get into this here but I question how many non-pattern folks would read
a free K-Factor. There is a free sample available there now. Is anybody
finding it? The problem I find is "Pattern" visibility. I
couldn't get Google to find the NSRCA when querying aerobatics, RC
aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC showed up. It's as if some amount of
prior knowledge is needed before an outsider can gain access to pattern
activity. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>AMA doesn't
do a very good of job explaining competition events or activity and if you
don't know follow the SIG you are kind of out of luck. How dose an outsider
become aware of and interested in any competition event without knowing
where to look? </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As for the
K-Factor, the publication is second to none. I have been receiving them
since it was several folded 11 x 14 sheets from a copy machine. The content
has for the most part remained about the same; mostly contest results and
district news. It's more of a competition newsletter with content of
interest to those involved and of questionable interest to outsiders or the
mildly interested. There is little seed for growing interest in any
rulebook event on the Internet. It only happens at the local level with
people having fun. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To be active
competitors in either IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of disposable
income and time commitment. We draw from the same shrinking pool of people
willing to commit to a weekend out of town to participate in what appears
to be a very regimented activity flown near the limit of visibility for
many. Bigger really is better and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by
trying to remain compatible with FAI.</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have
probably gone on too long but I don't believe our salvation lies in a free
K-Factor, not that it shouldn't be, it just won't draw many to our sport.</span></span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sorry Derek,
forgive me for splattering this even more.</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span class=emailstyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim Hiller</span></span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Troy
Newman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim,</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What is really amazing is locally here in AZ and Sothern
California IMAC contests attract 60-70 pilots.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>IMAC membership is up near 1000 members. They have an online
only newsletter. Not even a magazine.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Why would it be horrible to emulate an organization that is
successful like that.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>They can’t be doing anything right they are just IMACers</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just something to think about.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Troy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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