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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They don't.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike mueller</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top> I wonder if the IMAC guys talk about us as much as
we talk about them. I somehow doubt it. Just a thought, Mike<BR><BR>---
On <B>Sat, 1/31/09, <A
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> <I><<A
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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<A href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>
<<A
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Saturday, January 31, 2009, 8:06 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>IMAC is changing the all sequences for all classes every year.
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<DIV>Here my experience/suggestions. There are not too many IMAC
contests close to Kansas City. In the last few years this
situation is changing. This year we are going to have
one in Kansas City. I tried to do 2 IMAC contests per year
if I have chance. In contrast, we have around 8
pattern contest within 300 miles of Kansas City. I do
5-7 pattern contest every year. I see the following issues that
could be affecting both pattern and IMAC equally. IMAC
pilots have the pressure to buy 40% planes because they fly
better. It is amazing to see all the basic class pilots
with 35-40% planes. As we know the 40% planes are very
expensive. When you go to contest is hard to find lower classes
flying 50 cc planes or smaller. I see the same problem in
pattern. The perception that 2 meter plane is required
in lower classes is could be one issue. I wonder if we just need
to change the first class rules to allow smaller planes only (yes
limit the upper size to something smaller than 2 meter, now weight
limit). For IMAC less than 50 cc on basic class will very good
idea.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am going to practice today. It is warmer in
KC.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vicente Bortone </DIV>
<DIV><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ed Alt"
<ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, January 30,
2009 10:53:33 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wasn't aware that IMAC isn't all of the
sequences annually anymore. When did that change?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=billglaze@bellsouth.net href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>General pattern discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009
4:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together,
ALL the classes were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences
on a regular basis; not just the Unlimited contestants.. Bill
Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>General pattern discussion</A> ; <A
title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29,
2009 9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that a lot of the appeal of
IMAC is due to the airplanes that are available. Another
factor that has appeal is that sequences are different every year,
and also, the unknown sequences at most every contest is popular
as well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97 through '03 and it
was fun while it lasted. After a while, I couldn't live with
the changes they were making and I ended up here. Both IMAC
and Pattern have been great fun and great learning experiences,
but I do have to say that I have learned more in Pattern
overall. I also enjoy it more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think maybe it boils down to a few
subtle things that are just different in people. I am pretty
much a purist, and what drove me away from IMAC was when they
ditched the aerobatic box (except in theory), when they decided
that factoring centering into scoring was unfair, and when
they purposely added subjective scoring. It just grated at
me and I knew I could not enjoy it any longer after they did
that. Pattern isn't like that, and that's why I like it so
much better. It allows me to tolerate the idiosyncrasies of
glow vs. gas, allows me to put up with not being able to see a
smaller model as well, but I do it because I like the way the
event is structured. There are great people and good friends
in both events, but I do what I do because it fits me
better. We can tweak our website and restructure our
publication, and it's all good stuff, but at the end of the day,
you're going to do what you do because it fits you best. My
$.02 FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>General pattern discussion</A> ; <A
title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29,
2009 10:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well said John.. <BR><BR>On another note,
didn't this start out as a "please take an online vote"
email.<BR><BR>On even another note, Imac is a different
bird. More people may be interested in flying IMAC IMO
because there is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great
impact so that anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids
are really into the foamies and the freestyles because
they are fun, and impressive. We lack this fun type of
flying in their minds. (Not to me, 3d is somewhat boring
to me, except for foamies)<BR>As someone stated earlier,
pattern doesn't have the market flooded with $400-500 arfs
that almost every person at my field and other fields
locally have. If we did, I know of many people at my field
that would buy one. They have told me so. Every time I
bring a new plane to the field, people ask me how much,
and where can they get one. When I tell em how much, their
face drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester.
He's on the right track IMO. Look at all the ads in the
larger magazines, how many pattern planes do you see in
those ads? <BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf
size=3>Chris </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, John
Pavlick <I><jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow
Pattern<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> Interesting observations. In my neck of
the woods (Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or
Pattern competition so I don't see any of
this. Part of the reason for that is that it's
hard to find large, open areas where you're
allowed to fly model airplanes. Let alone have an
organized contest. My state pretty much sucks in
that regard. There sems to be plenty of room for
shopping centers and "retirement communities"
however.</DIV>
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<DIV>Even with these restrictions, I've managed to
enlighten a few people and make them aware of
Precision Aerobatics. By this I mean IMAC AND
Pattern. Some people just don't want to fly
Pattern, whereas others simply don't want to fly
IMAC. That's fine as far as I'm concerned but the
point is they need to know about them. That's
where I think Patttern and the NSRCA suffers
the most. People simply don't know that we exist.
We need to increase our visibility if we want to
attract new members. We DON'T need to change
anything with how we fly, how we judge, etc. At
least not to attract new people. All we need to do
is let them know we're here and that they can fly
with us if they want to. No pressure to join. Just
take your basic sport model to a contest and fly a
few rounds in Sportsman. Don't buy a new radio or
airplane. Don't worry about the weight or size.
Just show up. If we want to grow Patttern,
that's one of the things that we need to
do. If printed copies of the K-Factor at local
hobby shops will help with that cause (it just
might), then send me a box so I can drop them
off. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - I actually did learn about the NSRCA
through the K-Factor after a club member handed me
a copy that he picked up somewhere. Once I
knew that Patttern was still alive in my area (I
had taken a LONG hiatus) I built a new
airplane, started going to contests and joined the
NSRCA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US
SSA)
<I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper
K-Factor Poll<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">JN
– there is more to the comparison of
IMAC/Pattern than the traceable history to the
TOC or available ARF scenario. I think Jay
hit on it something important other day stating
something to the effect that, “… if you are not
in FAI or Masters you are left on your
own.” (forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I
misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are totally
different in many ways and being that I’m
involved in the District/Leadership of each,
I’ll list a few in no particular
order:</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50
person contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5
Advanced, and 40 persons spread almost equally
between the lower classes</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>2.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20
person contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters,
8-10 spread between lower classes.</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>3.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a
money-making event. Not so sure for the
pattern event.</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>4.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC:
IMAC changes sequences yearly and has unknowns
flown each contest, all classes except for
Basic. IMAC classes get harder in a
hurry. For instance the intermediate class
will have a 90 degree rolling turn in it and
numerous snaps rolls, also a spin.
There is no mercy on unknowns… sometimes they
are more difficult than the normal sequence,
sometimes easier, sometimes just
different. There is not an expectation
that all pilots will reach the “destination”
class. There is no destination class in
IMAC. </SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>5.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot
is a fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is
learning the precision side of things. You might
watch a OK sequence, but later in the evening
see them throwing it down on the deck in
aggressive Freestyle most of us would dare
try. The Pattern guys grow-up precision
and can fly a higher scoring stall turn and have
better sequence-fundamentals (and positioning),
but lack in some of the other R/C
roundness.</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>6.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly
pattern” in them. I’ve heard it all as to
why they stopped flying pattern and here it is
(believe me or not , up to you):</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>b.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I
practiced, I couldn’t improve my scores or beat
that one guy</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>c.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>d.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>e.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top
guys” that only fly IMAC now</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>7.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box,
with a centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way
of writing sequences with “sort of left, sort of
right” maneuvers. I understand why it is
done and such, but I’d take the box
anyday. Flying the box in pattern is its
“own-significant-difficulty” which makes the
less complex maneuvers harder to do. The
IMAC way lets them “load-up” each maneuver into
a super-complex deal – very hard to score well I
may add too. However, its all part of the
pie.</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>8.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences
the best. This is cool because often you
can “beat” a better pilot, by flying the
maneuver you need to know how to do better than
the other guys. In IMAC, usually the
“best” pilots wins, because it is a combination
of flying the known and unknown. </SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>9.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to
fly well. Pattern planes are less affected
by small changes in atmospheric conditions, or
good/bad engine days – IE -- you almost
always have enough power in a pattern plane
regardless of sequence flown. IMAC -
totally different. Humidity
(specifically), can DRASTICALLY affect the speed
of your plane. Power requirements change
hugely with sequence/class changes. For
instance, unlimited need a truly unlimited power
setup. Not so easy to move up without
changing equipment. A 40% plane is easier
to fly “wings-level”, but the judging penalties
are 0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point
per 15 degrees. </SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>10.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA
stance is on judging right now. In IMAC,
there is HUGE $$$ spent on judging programs,
seminars, and creating a national standard for
judging. How do they do this? They
fly in people from all around the country for a
national-type of judge certification.
These guys then go forth and carry the
message.</SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Why
do they do this? Because they know that
regional differences and biases, or cheating of
any kind, can kill-off an organization.
They put a huge leadership and organizational
priority on getting judging right. – if
you know me – you know I like that. </SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">So,
there are many, many differences between the
two. Personally, I gravitate towards
flying the pattern plane. However, the
“competitive” factors in IMAC are solid too and
given the activity around my neck of the woods,
you can’t pass it up. So what’s the point,
I guess the point still is that the total
formula is working for IMAC. The NSRCA
formula is not. What can we take from the
differences to tune-up our own game? And
regarding the K-factor – in today’s economy it
is hard to justify business decisions that don’t
break even. </SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>J N Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48
PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper
K-Factor Poll</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC v/s Pattern is
almost an apples to oranges comparison. IMAC
popularity can be traced to the TOC and the
general appeal of large colorful high
performance readily available aircraft but
mostly <U>visibility</U>. Pattern flying is
absent from many local clubs but large aerobatic
airplanes are represented nearly everywhere. The
big airplanes attract the press and interests
spectators. Pattern by comparison is extremely
repetitious and boring to those not directly
involved. </SPAN></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't want to get
into this here but I question how many
non-pattern folks would read a free K-Factor.
There is a free sample available there now. Is
anybody finding it? The problem I find is
"Pattern" visibility. I couldn't get Google to
find the NSRCA when querying aerobatics, RC
aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC showed up.
It's as if some amount of prior knowledge is
needed before an outsider can gain access to
pattern activity. </SPAN></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA doesn't do a very
good of job explaining competition events or
activity and if you don't know follow the SIG
you are kind of out of luck. How dose an
outsider become aware of and interested in any
competition event without knowing where to look?
</SPAN></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for the K-Factor, the
publication is second to none. I have been
receiving them since it was several folded 11 x
14 sheets from a copy machine. The content has
for the most part remained about the same;
mostly contest results and district news. It's
more of a competition newsletter with content of
interest to those involved and of questionable
interest to outsiders or the mildly interested.
There is little seed for growing interest in any
rulebook event on the Internet. It only happens
at the local level with people having fun.
</SPAN></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be active competitors
in either IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount
of disposable income and time commitment. We
draw from the same shrinking pool of people
willing to commit to a weekend out of town to
participate in what appears to be a very
regimented activity flown near the limit of
visibility for many. Bigger really is better and
we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying to
remain compatible with FAI.</SPAN></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have probably gone on
too long but I don't believe our salvation lies
in a free K-Factor, not that it shouldn't be, it
just won't draw many to our sport.</SPAN></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry Derek, forgive me
for splattering this even more.</SPAN></SPAN>
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class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim Hiller</SPAN></SPAN>
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Troy Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:44
PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper
K-Factor Poll</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and
Sothern California IMAC contests attract 60-70
pilots.</SPAN>
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style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an
online only newsletter. Not even a
magazine.</SPAN>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>
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style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization
that is successful like that.</SPAN>
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style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just
IMACers</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Just
something to think about.</SPAN>
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