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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218061318-31012009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The AMA has indicated to us that this will be considered - it
will definitely be a rules proposal if everyone agrees.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Budd
Engineering<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:51 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Now that Dave Brown is gone we should try again.<BR>
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<DIV>On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Gene Maurice wrote:</DIV><BR
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BIG difference is that the IMAC schedules are an addendum to the rulebook and
DON’T have to go thru a rules cycle to change. We’ve tried this and failed to
get it past the AMA.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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Maurice<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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3408 NSRCA 877<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>billglaze<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:13
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry, Ed:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I put it wrongly, and I guess pretty obscurely,
also. What I meant was, when you and I were on the BOD of IMAC, all
classes were regarded equally; when sequences changed, they were changed
across the board, with all classes receiving equal attention. Their
philosophy remains the same; all classes are equally regarded, and new
sequences installed annually. As far as I know that is still the bedrock
of IMAC. </SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, January 30, 2009 11:53
PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Bill:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I wasn't aware that
IMAC isn't all of the sequences annually anymore. When did that
change?</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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discussion</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together,
ALL the classes were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences on a
regular basis; not just the Unlimited contestants.. Bill
Glaze</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
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title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:12
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think that a
lot of the appeal of IMAC is due to the airplanes that are
available. Another factor that has appeal is that sequences are
different every year, and also, the unknown sequences at most every
contest is popular as well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97
through '03 and it was fun while it lasted. After a while, I
couldn't live with the changes they were making and I ended up
here. Both IMAC and Pattern have been great fun and great learning
experiences, but I do have to say that I have learned more in Pattern
overall. I also enjoy it more.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think maybe it
boils down to a few subtle things that are just different in
people. I am pretty much a purist, and what drove me away from
IMAC was when they ditched the aerobatic box (except in theory), when
they decided that factoring centering into scoring was unfair, and
when they purposely added subjective scoring. It just grated at me
and I knew I could not enjoy it any longer after they did that.
Pattern isn't like that, and that's why I like it so much better.
It allows me to tolerate the idiosyncrasies of glow vs. gas, allows me
to put up with not being able to see a smaller model as well, but I do
it because I like the way the event is structured. There are great
people and good friends in both events, but I do what I do because it
fits me better. We can tweak our website and restructure our
publication, and it's all good stuff, but at the end of the day, you're
going to do what you do because it fits you best. My $.02
FWIW.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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fitzsimmons</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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said John..<SPAN
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note, didn't this start out as a "please take an online vote"
email.<BR><BR>On even another note, Imac is a different bird.
More people may be interested in flying IMAC IMO because there
is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great impact so that
anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are really into the
foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and impressive.
We lack this fun type of flying in their minds. (Not to me, 3d
is somewhat boring to me, except for foamies)<BR>As someone
stated earlier, pattern doesn't have the market flooded with
$400-500 arfs that almost every person at my field and other
fields locally have. If we did, I know of many people at my
field that would buy one. They have told me so. Every time I
bring a new plane to the field, people ask me how much, and
where can they get one. When I tell em how much, their face
drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester. He's on
the right track IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger
magazines, how many pattern planes do you see in those
ads?<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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On<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>Thu,
1/29/09, John Pavlick<SPAN
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John Pavlick <<A
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"> Interesting
observations. In my neck of the woods (Connecticut) there
is almost NO IMAC or Pattern competition so I don't
see any of this. Part of the reason for that is that it's
hard to find large, open areas where you're allowed to fly
model airplanes. Let alone have an organized contest. My
state pretty much sucks in that regard. There sems to be
plenty of room for shopping centers and "retirement
communities" however.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif">Even with these
restrictions, I've managed to enlighten a few people and
make them aware of Precision Aerobatics. By this I
mean IMAC AND Pattern. Some people just don't want to fly
Pattern, whereas others simply don't want to fly IMAC.
That's fine as far as I'm concerned but the point is they
need to know about them. That's where I think
Patttern and the NSRCA suffers the most. People simply
don't know that we exist. We need to increase our
visibility if we want to attract new members. We DON'T
need to change anything with how we fly, how we judge,
etc. At least not to attract new people. All we need to do
is let them know we're here and that they can fly with us
if they want to. No pressure to join. Just take your basic
sport model to a contest and fly a few rounds in
Sportsman. Don't buy a new radio or airplane. Don't worry
about the weight or size. Just show up. If we want to grow
Patttern, that's one of the things that we need
to do If printed copies of the K-Factor at local hobby
shops will help with that cause (it just might), then send
me a box so I can drop them off.
:)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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Pavlick<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif">BTW - I actually did
learn about the NSRCA through the K-Factor after a club
member handed me a copy that he picked up somewhere.
Once I knew that Patttern was still alive in my area
(I had taken a LONG hiatus) I built a new airplane,
started going to contests and joined the
NSRCA.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><BR>--- On<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>Thu, 1/29/09,
Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<SPAN
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href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</A>></I></B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif">From: Woodward, Jim
(US SSA) <<A
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll<BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16
PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">JN
– there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern than
the traceable history to the TOC or available ARF
scenario. I think Jay hit on it something
important other day stating something to the effect
that, “… if you are not in FAI or Masters you are left
on your own.” (forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I
misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are totally different
in many ways and being that I’m involved in the
District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a few in no
particular order:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">1.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person
contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40
persons spread almost equally between the lower
classes</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">2.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread
between lower classes</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">3.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern
event.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">4.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC
changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each
contest, all classes except for Basic. IMAC
classes get harder in a hurry. For instance the
intermediate class will have a 90 degree rolling turn in
it and numerous snaps rolls, also a spin.
There is no mercy on unknowns… sometimes they are more
difficult than the normal sequence, sometimes easier,
sometimes just different. There is not an
expectation that all pilots will reach the “destination”
class. There is no destination class in
IMAC. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">5.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is a
fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the
precision side of things. You might watch a OK sequence,
but later in the evening see them throwing it down on
the deck in aggressive Freestyle most of us would dare
try. The Pattern guys grow-up precision and can
fly a higher scoring stall turn and have better
sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but lack in
some of the other R/C roundness.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">6.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly pattern”
in them. I’ve heard it all as to why they stopped
flying pattern and here it is (believe me or not , up to
you):</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">a.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">b.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I practiced, I
couldn’t improve my scores or beat that one
guy</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">c.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">d.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">e.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys”
that only fly IMAC now</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">7.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box, with a
centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing
sequences with “sort of left, sort of right”
maneuvers. I understand why it is done and such,
but I’d take the box anyday. Flying the box in
pattern is its “own-significant-difficulty” which makes
the less complex maneuvers harder to do. The IMAC
way lets them “load-up” each maneuver into a
super-complex deal – very hard to score well I may add
too. However, its all part of the pie.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">8.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences the
best. This is cool because often you can “beat” a
better pilot, by flying the maneuver you need to know
how to do better than the other guys. In IMAC,
usually the “best” pilots wins, because it is a
combination of flying the known and unknown.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">9.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly
well. Pattern planes are less affected by small
changes in atmospheric conditions, or good/bad engine
days – IE -- you almost always have enough power
in a pattern plane regardless of sequence flown.
IMAC - totally different. Humidity
(specifically), can DRASTICALLY affect the speed of your
plane. Power requirements change hugely with
sequence/class changes. For instance, unlimited
need a truly unlimited power setup. Not so easy to
move up without changing equipment. A 40% plane is
easier to fly “wings-level”, but the judging penalties
are 0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point per 15
degrees.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">10.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA stance is
on judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE $$$
spent on judging programs, seminars, and creating a
national standard for judging. How do they do
this? They fly in people from all around the
country for a national-type of judge
certification. These guys then go forth and carry
the message.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">a.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Why
do they do this? Because they know that regional
differences and biases, or cheating of any kind, can
kill-off an organization. They put a huge
leadership and organizational priority on getting
judging right. – if you know me – you know I like
that.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit, serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<DIV
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So,
there are many, many differences between the two.
Personally, I gravitate towards flying the pattern
plane. However, the “competitive” factors in IMAC
are solid too and given the activity around my neck of
the woods, you can’t pass it up. So what’s the
point, I guess the point still is that the total
formula is working for IMAC. The NSRCA formula is
not. What can we take from the differences to
tune-up our own game? And regarding the K-factor –
in today’s economy it is hard to justify business
decisions that don’t break
even. </SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Jim</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf
Of<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>J N
Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday,
January 28, 2009 8:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC
v/s Pattern is almost an apples to oranges comparison.
IMAC popularity can be traced to the TOC and the general
appeal of large colorful high performance readily
available aircraft but mostly<U>visibility</U>. Pattern
flying is absent from many local clubs but large
aerobatic airplanes are represented nearly everywhere.
The big airplanes attract the press and interests
spectators. Pattern by comparison is extremely
repetitious and boring to those not directly
involved.</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
didn't want to get into this here but I question how
many non-pattern folks would read a free K-Factor. There
is a free sample available there now. Is anybody finding
it? The problem I find is "Pattern" visibility. I
couldn't get Google to find the NSRCA when querying
aerobatics, RC aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC
showed up. It's as if some amount of prior knowledge is
needed before an outsider can gain access to pattern
activity.</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA
doesn't do a very good of job explaining competition
events or activity and if you don't know follow the SIG
you are kind of out of luck. How dose an outsider become
aware of and interested in any competition event without
knowing where to look?</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for
the K-Factor, the publication is second to none. I have
been receiving them since it was several folded 11 x 14
sheets from a copy machine. The content has for the most
part remained about the same; mostly contest results and
district news. It's more of a competition newsletter
with content of interest to those involved and of
questionable interest to outsiders or the mildly
interested. There is little seed for growing interest in
any rulebook event on the Internet. It only happens at
the local level with people having
fun.</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be
active competitors in either IMAC or pattern requires a
fair amount of disposable income and time commitment. We
draw from the same shrinking pool of people willing to
commit to a weekend out of town to participate in what
appears to be a very regimented activity flown near the
limit of visibility for many. Bigger really is better
and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying to
remain compatible with
FAI.</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have
probably gone on too long but I don't believe our
salvation lies in a free K-Factor, not that it shouldn't
be, it just won't draw many to our
sport.</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry
Derek, forgive me for splattering this even
more.</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
class=emailstyle52><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim
Hiller</SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B>On
Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Troy
Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday,
January 28, 2009 3:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and Sothern
California IMAC contests attract 60-70
pilots.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an online
only newsletter. Not even a
magazine.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization that is
successful like that.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just
IMACers</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Just
something to think about.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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