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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle24><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>OK guys if
you are going to change the schedules every year you need to change the current
mandatory advancement system as well so competitors aren’t advanced prematurely.
But we kind of have that problem now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Budd Engineering<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 31, 2009
9:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Now that Dave
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Jan 31,
2009, at 9:18 AM, Gene Maurice wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'>A BIG difference is that the
IMAC schedules are an addendum to the rulebook and DON’T have to go thru a
rules cycle to change. We’ve tried this and failed to get it past the AMA.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>billglaze<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:13 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed
into Grow Pattern<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>Sorry, Ed:</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>I put it wrongly, and I guess pretty obscurely, also.
What I meant was, when you and I were on the BOD of IMAC, all classes were
regarded equally; when sequences changed, they were changed across the board,
with all classes receiving equal attention. Their philosophy remains the
same; all classes are equally regarded, and new sequences installed
annually. As far as I know that is still the bedrock of
IMAC. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>----- Original Message -----<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" title="ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Friday, January 30, 2009 11:53 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black'> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Hi Bill:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>I wasn't aware that IMAC isn't all of the sequences annually
anymore. When did that change?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Ed</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>----- Original Message -----<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:
initial;-webkit-background-clip: initial;-webkit-background-origin: initial'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:79.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#E4E4E4;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"
title="billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:79.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Friday, January 30, 2009 4:10 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:79.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:79.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together, ALL the classes
were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences on a regular basis; not just
the Unlimited contestants.. Bill Glaze</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>----- Original Message -----<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:
initial;-webkit-background-clip: initial;-webkit-background-origin: initial'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:83.25pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#E4E4E4;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" title="ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com"
title="homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:12 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:83.25pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>I think that a lot of the appeal of IMAC is due to the airplanes
that are available. Another factor that has appeal is that sequences are
different every year, and also, the unknown sequences at most every contest is
popular as well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97 through '03 and it was
fun while it lasted. After a while, I couldn't live with the changes they
were making and I ended up here. Both IMAC and Pattern have been great
fun and great learning experiences, but I do have to say that I have learned
more in Pattern overall. I also enjoy it more.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:83.25pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>I think maybe it boils down to a few subtle things that are just
different in people. I am pretty much a purist, and what drove me away
from IMAC was when they ditched the aerobatic box (except in theory), when they
decided that factoring centering into scoring was unfair, and when they
purposely added subjective scoring. It just grated at me and I knew I
could not enjoy it any longer after they did that. Pattern isn't like
that, and that's why I like it so much better. It allows me to tolerate
the idiosyncrasies of glow vs. gas, allows me to put up with not being able to
see a smaller model as well, but I do it because I like the way the event is
structured. There are great people and good friends in both events, but I
do what I do because it fits me better. We can tweak our website and
restructure our publication, and it's all good stuff, but at the end of the
day, you're going to do what you do because it fits you best. My $.02
FWIW.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:83.25pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Ed</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>----- Original Message -----<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:
initial;-webkit-background-clip: initial;-webkit-background-origin: initial'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:87.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#E4E4E4;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com"
title="homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:87.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:39 AM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:87.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Well said John..<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<br>
On another note, didn't this start out as a "please take an online
vote" email.<br>
<br>
On even another note, Imac is a different bird. More people may be interested
in flying IMAC IMO because there is the freestyle. Foamies have made a great
impact so that anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are really into the
foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and impressive. We lack this
fun type of flying in their minds. (Not to me, 3d is somewhat boring to me,
except for foamies)<br>
As someone stated earlier, pattern doesn't have the market flooded with
$400-500 arfs that almost every person at my field and other fields locally
have. If we did, I know of many people at my field that would buy one. They
have told me so. Every time I bring a new plane to the field, people ask me
how much, and where can they get one. When I tell em how much, their face
drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester. He's on the right track
IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger magazines, how many pattern planes do
you see in those ads?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><em><b><i><font size=3 color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0000BF;font-weight:
bold'>Chris</span></font></i></b></em><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--- On<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 1/29/09, John Pavlick<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><i><span style='font-style:italic'><<a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>></span></i></span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: John Pavlick <<a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div id=yiv485967673>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jim,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> Interesting observations. In my
neck of the woods (Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or Pattern
competition so I don't see any of this. Part of the reason for that is
that it's hard to find large, open areas where you're allowed to fly model
airplanes. Let alone have an organized contest. My state pretty much sucks
in that regard. There sems to be plenty of room for shopping centers and
"retirement communities" however.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Even with these restrictions, I've managed
to enlighten a few people and make them aware of Precision Aerobatics. By
this I mean IMAC AND Pattern. Some people just don't want to fly
Pattern, whereas others simply don't want to fly IMAC. That's fine as far
as I'm concerned but the point is they need to know about them. That's
where I think Patttern and the NSRCA suffers the most. People simply
don't know that we exist. We need to increase our visibility if we want to
attract new members. We DON'T need to change anything with how we fly, how
we judge, etc. At least not to attract new people. All we need to do is let
them know we're here and that they can fly with us if they want to. No
pressure to join. Just take your basic sport model to a contest and fly a
few rounds in Sportsman. Don't buy a new radio or airplane. Don't worry
about the weight or size. Just show up. If we want to grow Patttern,
that's one of the things that we need to do If printed copies of
the K-Factor at local hobby shops will help with that cause (it just
might), then send me a box so I can drop them off. :)<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>John Pavlick<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>BTW - I actually did learn about the
NSRCA through the K-Factor after a club member handed me a copy that he
picked up somewhere. Once I knew that Patttern was still alive in my
area (I had taken a LONG hiatus) I built a new airplane, started going
to contests and joined the NSRCA.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
--- On<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><i><span style='font-style:italic'><<a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</a>></span></i></span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <<a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>
<div id=yiv923877425>JN – there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern
than the traceable history to the TOC or available ARF scenario. I
think Jay hit on it something important other day stating something to the effect
that, “… if you are not in FAI or Masters you are left on your own.”
(forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are
totally different in many ways and being that I’m involved in the
District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a few in no particular order:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>1.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Basic, Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person
contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40 persons spread almost
equally between the lower classes<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>2.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Sportsman, Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread between lower classes<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>3.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>R/C Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern event.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>4.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Not such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC
changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each contest, all classes
except for Basic. IMAC classes get harder in a hurry. For
instance the intermediate class will have a 90 degree rolling turn in it and
numerous snaps rolls, also a spin. There is no mercy on
unknowns… sometimes they are more difficult than the normal sequence,
sometimes easier, sometimes just different. There is not an
expectation that all pilots will reach the “destination” class. There
is no destination class in IMAC. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>5.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Piloting differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is
a fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the precision side of
things. You might watch a OK sequence, but later in the evening see them
throwing it down on the deck in aggressive Freestyle most of us would dare
try. The Pattern guys grow-up precision and can fly a higher scoring
stall turn and have better sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but
lack in some of the other R/C roundness.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>6.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>The IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly pattern”
in them. I’ve heard it all as to why they stopped flying pattern and
here it is (believe me or not , up to you):<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>a.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Pattern is too political at the top<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>b.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Feeling of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I
practiced, I couldn’t improve my scores or beat that one guy<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>c.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Best flights aren’t winning rounds<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>d.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Didn’t fit in<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>e.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>These are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys”
that only fly IMAC now<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>7.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Flying/Positioning – I love the pattern way of flying in a
box, with a centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing sequences
with “sort of left, sort of right” maneuvers. I understand why it is
done and such, but I’d take the box anyday. Flying the box in pattern
is its “own-significant-difficulty” which makes the less complex maneuvers
harder to do. The IMAC way lets them “load-up” each maneuver into a
super-complex deal – very hard to score well I may add too. However,
its all part of the pie.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>8.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Winning? In pattern, a win means you flew the
sequences the best. This is cool because often you can “beat” a
better pilot, by flying the maneuver you need to know how to do better than
the other guys. In IMAC, usually the “best” pilots wins, because it
is a combination of flying the known and unknown.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>9.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Planes? Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to
fly well. Pattern planes are less affected by small changes in
atmospheric conditions, or good/bad engine days – IE -- you almost
always have enough power in a pattern plane regardless of sequence
flown. IMAC - totally different. Humidity (specifically),
can DRASTICALLY affect the speed of your plane. Power requirements
change hugely with sequence/class changes. For instance, unlimited
need a truly unlimited power setup. Not so easy to move up without
changing equipment. A 40% plane is easier to fly “wings-level”, but
the judging penalties are 0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point per
15 degrees.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>10.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Organizational view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA
stance is on judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE $$$ spent on
judging programs, seminars, and creating a national standard for
judging. How do they do this? They fly in people from all around
the country for a national-type of judge certification. These guys
then go forth and carry the message.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>a.</span></font><font
size=1 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Why do they do this? Because they know that regional
differences and biases, or cheating of any kind, can kill-off an
organization. They put a huge leadership and organizational priority
on getting judging right. – if you know me – you know I like that.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>So, there are many, many differences between the
two. Personally, I gravitate towards flying the pattern plane.
However, the “competitive” factors in IMAC are solid too and given the
activity around my neck of the woods, you can’t pass it up. So what’s
the point, I guess the point still is that the total formula is
working for IMAC. The NSRCA formula is not. What can we take from
the differences to tune-up our own game? And regarding the K-factor –
in today’s economy it is hard to justify business decisions that don’t
break even. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Jim</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>J N
Hiller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic
versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p></div>
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<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>IMAC v/s Pattern is almost an apples
to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can be traced to the TOC and the
general appeal of large colorful high performance readily available
aircraft but mostly<u>visibility</u>. Pattern flying is absent from many
local clubs but large aerobatic airplanes are represented nearly
everywhere. The big airplanes attract the press and interests spectators.
Pattern by comparison is extremely repetitious and boring to those not
directly involved.</span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I didn't want to get into this here
but I question how many non-pattern folks would read a free K-Factor. There
is a free sample available there now. Is anybody finding it? The problem I
find is "Pattern" visibility. I couldn't get Google to find the
NSRCA when querying aerobatics, RC aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC
showed up. It's as if some amount of prior knowledge is needed before an
outsider can gain access to pattern activity.</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>AMA doesn't do a very good of job
explaining competition events or activity and if you don't know follow the
SIG you are kind of out of luck. How dose an outsider become aware of and
interested in any competition event without knowing where to look?</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>As for the K-Factor, the publication
is second to none. I have been receiving them since it was several folded
11 x 14 sheets from a copy machine. The content has for the most part
remained about the same; mostly contest results and district news. It's more
of a competition newsletter with content of interest to those involved and
of questionable interest to outsiders or the mildly interested. There is
little seed for growing interest in any rulebook event on the Internet. It
only happens at the local level with people having fun.</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>To be active competitors in either
IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of disposable income and time
commitment. We draw from the same shrinking pool of people willing to
commit to a weekend out of town to participate in what appears to be a very
regimented activity flown near the limit of visibility for many. Bigger
really is better and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying to
remain compatible with FAI.</span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I have probably gone on too long but I
don't believe our salvation lies in a free K-Factor, not that it shouldn't
be, it just won't draw many to our sport.</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Sorry Derek, forgive me for
splattering this even more.</span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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class=emailstyle52><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Jim Hiller</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Troy
Newman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:44
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic
versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Jim,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>What is really amazing is locally here in AZ and
Sothern California IMAC contests attract 60-70 pilots.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>IMAC membership is up near 1000 members. They have an
online only newsletter. Not even a magazine.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Why would it be horrible to emulate an organization
that is successful like that.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>They can’t be doing anything right they are just
IMACers</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Just something to think about.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Troy</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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