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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that a lot of the appeal of IMAC is due to
the airplanes that are available. Another factor that has appeal is that
sequences are different every year, and also, the unknown sequences at most
every contest is popular as well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97 through
'03 and it was fun while it lasted. After a while, I couldn't live with
the changes they were making and I ended up here. Both IMAC and Pattern
have been great fun and great learning experiences, but I do have to say that I
have learned more in Pattern overall. I also enjoy it more.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think maybe it boils down to a few subtle things
that are just different in people. I am pretty much a purist, and what
drove me away from IMAC was when they ditched the aerobatic box (except in
theory), when they decided that factoring centering into scoring was
unfair, and when they purposely added subjective scoring. It just
grated at me and I knew I could not enjoy it any longer after they did
that. Pattern isn't like that, and that's why I like it so much
better. It allows me to tolerate the idiosyncrasies of glow vs. gas,
allows me to put up with not being able to see a smaller model as well, but I do
it because I like the way the event is structured. There are great people
and good friends in both events, but I do what I do because it fits me
better. We can tweak our website and restructure our publication, and
it's all good stuff, but at the end of the day, you're going to do what you do
because it fits you best. My $.02 FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well said John.. <BR><BR>On another note, didn't this
start out as a "please take an online vote" email.<BR><BR>On even
another note, Imac is a different bird. More people may be interested in
flying IMAC IMO because there is the freestyle. Foamies have made a
great impact so that anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are
really into the foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and
impressive. We lack this fun type of flying in their minds. (Not to me,
3d is somewhat boring to me, except for foamies)<BR>As someone stated
earlier, pattern doesn't have the market flooded with $400-500 arfs that
almost every person at my field and other fields locally have. If we
did, I know of many people at my field that would buy one. They have
told me so. Every time I bring a new plane to the field, people ask me
how much, and where can they get one. When I tell em how much, their
face drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester. He's on the
right track IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger magazines, how many
pattern planes do you see in those ads? <BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf size=3>Chris
</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, John Pavlick
<I><jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR>To: "General
pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:01 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> Interesting observations. In my neck of the woods
(Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or Pattern competition
so I don't see any of this. Part of the reason for that is
that it's hard to find large, open areas where you're allowed to
fly model airplanes. Let alone have an organized contest. My
state pretty much sucks in that regard. There sems to be plenty
of room for shopping centers and "retirement communities"
however.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even with these restrictions, I've managed to enlighten a
few people and make them aware of Precision Aerobatics. By
this I mean IMAC AND Pattern. Some people just don't want
to fly Pattern, whereas others simply don't want to fly IMAC.
That's fine as far as I'm concerned but the point is they need
to know about them. That's where I think Patttern and the
NSRCA suffers the most. People simply don't know that we exist.
We need to increase our visibility if we want to attract new
members. We DON'T need to change anything with how we fly, how
we judge, etc. At least not to attract new people. All we need
to do is let them know we're here and that they can fly with us
if they want to. No pressure to join. Just take your basic sport
model to a contest and fly a few rounds in Sportsman. Don't buy
a new radio or airplane. Don't worry about the weight or size.
Just show up. If we want to grow Patttern, that's one of
the things that we need to do. If printed copies of the
K-Factor at local hobby shops will help with that cause (it just
might), then send me a box so I can drop them off. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - I actually did learn about the NSRCA through the
K-Factor after a club member handed me a copy that he picked up
somewhere. Once I knew that Patttern was still alive in my
area (I had taken a LONG hiatus) I built a new airplane,
started going to contests and joined the NSRCA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Thursday,
January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JN
– there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern than the
traceable history to the TOC or available ARF scenario.
I think Jay hit on it something important other day stating
something to the effect that, “… if you are not in FAI or
Masters you are left on your own.” (forgive me if it
wasn’t Jay or I misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are totally
different in many ways and being that I’m involved in the
District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a few in no particular
order:</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person contest,
there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40 persons spread
almost equally between the lower classes</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>2.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person contest,
maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread between lower
classes.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>3.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern event.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>4.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC changes
sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each contest, all
classes except for Basic. IMAC classes get harder in a
hurry. For instance the intermediate class will have a
90 degree rolling turn in it and numerous snaps rolls, also a
spin. There is no mercy on unknowns… sometimes
they are more difficult than the normal sequence, sometimes
easier, sometimes just different. There is not an
expectation that all pilots will reach the “destination”
class. There is no destination class in IMAC.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>5.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is a fairly
high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the precision side of
things. You might watch a OK sequence, but later in the
evening see them throwing it down on the deck in aggressive
Freestyle most of us would dare try. The Pattern guys
grow-up precision and can fly a higher scoring stall turn and
have better sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but lack
in some of the other R/C roundness.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>6.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly pattern” in
them. I’ve heard it all as to why they stopped flying
pattern and here it is (believe me or not , up to you):</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>b.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I practiced, I
couldn’t improve my scores or beat that one guy</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>c.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>d.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>e.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys” that only
fly IMAC now</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>7.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box, with a centerpole
– I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing sequences with “sort
of left, sort of right” maneuvers. I understand why it
is done and such, but I’d take the box anyday. Flying
the box in pattern is its “own-significant-difficulty” which
makes the less complex maneuvers harder to do. The IMAC
way lets them “load-up” each maneuver into a super-complex
deal – very hard to score well I may add too. However,
its all part of the pie.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>8.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences the best.
This is cool because often you can “beat” a better pilot, by
flying the maneuver you need to know how to do better than the
other guys. In IMAC, usually the “best” pilots wins,
because it is a combination of flying the known and unknown.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>9.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly well.
Pattern planes are less affected by small changes in
atmospheric conditions, or good/bad engine days – IE --
you almost always have enough power in a pattern plane
regardless of sequence flown. IMAC - totally
different. Humidity (specifically), can DRASTICALLY
affect the speed of your plane. Power requirements
change hugely with sequence/class changes. For instance,
unlimited need a truly unlimited power setup. Not so
easy to move up without changing equipment. A 40% plane
is easier to fly “wings-level”, but the judging penalties are
0.5 point per 5 degrees, instead of 1 point per 15 degrees.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>10.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA stance is on
judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE $$$ spent on
judging programs, seminars, and creating a national standard
for judging. How do they do this? They fly in
people from all around the country for a national-type of
judge certification. These guys then go forth and carry
the message.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
do they do this? Because they know that regional
differences and biases, or cheating of any kind, can kill-off
an organization. They put a huge leadership and
organizational priority on getting judging right. – if
you know me – you know I like that. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
there are many, many differences between the two.
Personally, I gravitate towards flying the pattern
plane. However, the “competitive” factors in IMAC are
solid too and given the activity around my neck of the woods,
you can’t pass it up. So what’s the point, I guess the
point still is that the total formula is working for
IMAC. The NSRCA formula is not. What can we take
from the differences to tune-up our own game? And
regarding the K-factor – in today’s economy it is hard to
justify business decisions that don’t break even.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN>
</P>
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</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>J N Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009
8:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC v/s Pattern is almost an apples
to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can be traced to the
TOC and the general appeal of large colorful high performance
readily available aircraft but mostly <U>visibility</U>.
Pattern flying is absent from many local clubs but large
aerobatic airplanes are represented nearly everywhere. The big
airplanes attract the press and interests spectators. Pattern
by comparison is extremely repetitious and boring to those not
directly involved. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't want to get into this here
but I question how many non-pattern folks would read a free
K-Factor. There is a free sample available there now. Is
anybody finding it? The problem I find is "Pattern"
visibility. I couldn't get Google to find the NSRCA when
querying aerobatics, RC aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC
showed up. It's as if some amount of prior knowledge is needed
before an outsider can gain access to pattern activity.
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA doesn't do a very good of job
explaining competition events or activity and if you don't
know follow the SIG you are kind of out of luck. How dose an
outsider become aware of and interested in any competition
event without knowing where to look? </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for the K-Factor, the publication
is second to none. I have been receiving them since it was
several folded 11 x 14 sheets from a copy machine. The content
has for the most part remained about the same; mostly contest
results and district news. It's more of a competition
newsletter with content of interest to those involved and of
questionable interest to outsiders or the mildly interested.
There is little seed for growing interest in any rulebook
event on the Internet. It only happens at the local level with
people having fun. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be active competitors in either
IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of disposable income
and time commitment. We draw from the same shrinking pool of
people willing to commit to a weekend out of town to
participate in what appears to be a very regimented activity
flown near the limit of visibility for many. Bigger really is
better and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying to
remain compatible with FAI.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have probably gone on too long but I
don't believe our salvation lies in a free K-Factor, not that
it shouldn't be, it just won't draw many to our
sport.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry Derek, forgive me for
splattering this even more.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim Hiller</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Troy Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009
3:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim,</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and Sothern California
IMAC contests attract 60-70 pilots.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an online only
newsletter. Not even a magazine.</SPAN> </P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization that is
successful like that.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just IMACers</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Just
something to think about.</SPAN> </P>
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