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<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, Ed, you'll remember when we served together, ALL the
classes were regarded equally, all receiving new sequences on a regular basis;
not just the Unlimited contestants.. Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A> ;
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that a lot of the appeal of IMAC is due
to the airplanes that are available. Another factor that has appeal is
that sequences are different every year, and also, the unknown sequences at
most every contest is popular as well. I flew nothing but IMAC from '97
through '03 and it was fun while it lasted. After a while, I couldn't
live with the changes they were making and I ended up here. Both IMAC
and Pattern have been great fun and great learning experiences, but I do have
to say that I have learned more in Pattern overall. I also enjoy it
more.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think maybe it boils down to a few subtle
things that are just different in people. I am pretty much a purist, and
what drove me away from IMAC was when they ditched the aerobatic box (except
in theory), when they decided that factoring centering into scoring was
unfair, and when they purposely added subjective scoring. It just
grated at me and I knew I could not enjoy it any longer after they did
that. Pattern isn't like that, and that's why I like it so much
better. It allows me to tolerate the idiosyncrasies of glow vs. gas,
allows me to put up with not being able to see a smaller model as well, but I
do it because I like the way the event is structured. There are great
people and good friends in both events, but I do what I do because it fits me
better. We can tweak our website and restructure our publication,
and it's all good stuff, but at the end of the day, you're going to do what
you do because it fits you best. My $.02 FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> ; <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well said John.. <BR><BR>On another note, didn't this
start out as a "please take an online vote" email.<BR><BR>On even
another note, Imac is a different bird. More people may be interested
in flying IMAC IMO because there is the freestyle. Foamies have made a
great impact so that anyone can huck in their front yards. Kids are
really into the foamies and the freestyles because they are fun, and
impressive. We lack this fun type of flying in their minds. (Not to
me, 3d is somewhat boring to me, except for foamies)<BR>As someone
stated earlier, pattern doesn't have the market flooded with $400-500
arfs that almost every person at my field and other fields locally
have. If we did, I know of many people at my field that would buy one.
They have told me so. Every time I bring a new plane to the field,
people ask me how much, and where can they get one. When I tell em how
much, their face drops...Wanna grow pattern, do something like Hester.
He's on the right track IMO. Look at all the ads in the larger
magazines, how many pattern planes do you see in those ads? <BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf size=3>Chris
</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, John Pavlick
<I><jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor morphed into Grow Pattern<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Thursday, January
29, 2009, 7:01 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> Interesting observations. In my neck of the woods
(Connecticut) there is almost NO IMAC or Pattern competition
so I don't see any of this. Part of the reason for that
is that it's hard to find large, open areas where you're
allowed to fly model airplanes. Let alone have an organized
contest. My state pretty much sucks in that regard. There sems
to be plenty of room for shopping centers and "retirement
communities" however.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even with these restrictions, I've managed to enlighten a
few people and make them aware of Precision Aerobatics. By
this I mean IMAC AND Pattern. Some people just don't want
to fly Pattern, whereas others simply don't want to fly IMAC.
That's fine as far as I'm concerned but the point is they need
to know about them. That's where I think Patttern and the
NSRCA suffers the most. People simply don't know that we
exist. We need to increase our visibility if we want to
attract new members. We DON'T need to change anything with how
we fly, how we judge, etc. At least not to attract new people.
All we need to do is let them know we're here and that they
can fly with us if they want to. No pressure to join. Just
take your basic sport model to a contest and fly a few rounds
in Sportsman. Don't buy a new radio or airplane. Don't worry
about the weight or size. Just show up. If we want to grow
Patttern, that's one of the things that we need to
do. If printed copies of the K-Factor at local hobby shops
will help with that cause (it just might), then send me a box
so I can drop them off. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - I actually did learn about the NSRCA through the
K-Factor after a club member handed me a copy that he picked
up somewhere. Once I knew that Patttern was still alive
in my area (I had taken a LONG hiatus) I built a new
airplane, started going to contests and joined the
NSRCA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/29/09, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Thursday,
January 29, 2009, 2:16 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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– there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern than the
traceable history to the TOC or available ARF
scenario. I think Jay hit on it something important
other day stating something to the effect that, “… if you
are not in FAI or Masters you are left on your own.”
(forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I misquoted). Pattern
and IMAC are totally different in many ways and being that
I’m involved in the District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a
few in no particular order:</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Basic,
Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person
contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40 persons
spread almost equally between the lower
classes</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>2.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person contest,
maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread between lower
classes.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>3.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">R/C
Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern event.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>4.<SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC
changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each
contest, all classes except for Basic. IMAC classes
get harder in a hurry. For instance the intermediate
class will have a 90 degree rolling turn in it and numerous
snaps rolls, also a spin. There is no mercy on
unknowns… sometimes they are more difficult than the normal
sequence, sometimes easier, sometimes just different.
There is not an expectation that all pilots will reach the
“destination” class. There is no destination class in
IMAC. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>5.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Piloting
differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is a fairly
high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the precision side
of things. You might watch a OK sequence, but later in the
evening see them throwing it down on the deck in aggressive
Freestyle most of us would dare try. The Pattern guys
grow-up precision and can fly a higher scoring stall turn
and have better sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but
lack in some of the other R/C roundness.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>6.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly pattern” in
them. I’ve heard it all as to why they stopped flying
pattern and here it is (believe me or not , up to
you):</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Pattern
is too political at the top</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>b.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I practiced, I
couldn’t improve my scores or beat that one guy</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>c.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
flights aren’t winning rounds</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>d.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Didn’t
fit in</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>e.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys” that
only fly IMAC now</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>7.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Flying/Positioning
– I love the pattern way of flying in a box, with a
centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing
sequences with “sort of left, sort of right”
maneuvers. I understand why it is done and such, but
I’d take the box anyday. Flying the box in pattern is
its “own-significant-difficulty” which makes the less
complex maneuvers harder to do. The IMAC way lets them
“load-up” each maneuver into a super-complex deal – very
hard to score well I may add too. However, its all
part of the pie.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>8.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Winning?
In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences the
best. This is cool because often you can “beat” a
better pilot, by flying the maneuver you need to know how to
do better than the other guys. In IMAC, usually the
“best” pilots wins, because it is a combination of flying
the known and unknown. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>9.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Planes?
Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly
well. Pattern planes are less affected by small
changes in atmospheric conditions, or good/bad engine days –
IE -- you almost always have enough power in a pattern
plane regardless of sequence flown. IMAC -
totally different. Humidity (specifically), can
DRASTICALLY affect the speed of your plane. Power
requirements change hugely with sequence/class
changes. For instance, unlimited need a truly
unlimited power setup. Not so easy to move up without
changing equipment. A 40% plane is easier to fly
“wings-level”, but the judging penalties are 0.5 point per 5
degrees, instead of 1 point per 15 degrees. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>10.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Organizational
view on Judging – I don’t know what the NSRCA stance is on
judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE $$$ spent on
judging programs, seminars, and creating a national standard
for judging. How do they do this? They fly in
people from all around the country for a national-type of
judge certification. These guys then go forth and
carry the message.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><SPAN>a.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
do they do this? Because they know that regional
differences and biases, or cheating of any kind, can
kill-off an organization. They put a huge leadership
and organizational priority on getting judging right.
– if you know me – you know I like that. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
there are many, many differences between the two.
Personally, I gravitate towards flying the pattern
plane. However, the “competitive” factors in IMAC are
solid too and given the activity around my neck of the
woods, you can’t pass it up. So what’s the point, I
guess the point still is that the total formula is
working for IMAC. The NSRCA formula is not. What
can we take from the differences to tune-up our own
game? And regarding the K-factor – in today’s economy
it is hard to justify business decisions that don’t break
even. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>J N Hiller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January
28, 2009 8:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IMAC v/s Pattern is almost an apples
to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can be traced to the
TOC and the general appeal of large colorful high
performance readily available aircraft but mostly
<U>visibility</U>. Pattern flying is absent from many local
clubs but large aerobatic airplanes are represented nearly
everywhere. The big airplanes attract the press and
interests spectators. Pattern by comparison is extremely
repetitious and boring to those not directly involved.
</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't want to get into this here
but I question how many non-pattern folks would read a free
K-Factor. There is a free sample available there now. Is
anybody finding it? The problem I find is "Pattern"
visibility. I couldn't get Google to find the NSRCA when
querying aerobatics, RC aerobatics or pattern, however IMAC
showed up. It's as if some amount of prior knowledge is
needed before an outsider can gain access to pattern
activity. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA doesn't do a very good of job
explaining competition events or activity and if you don't
know follow the SIG you are kind of out of luck. How dose an
outsider become aware of and interested in any competition
event without knowing where to look? </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for the K-Factor, the publication
is second to none. I have been receiving them since it was
several folded 11 x 14 sheets from a copy machine. The
content has for the most part remained about the same;
mostly contest results and district news. It's more of a
competition newsletter with content of interest to those
involved and of questionable interest to outsiders or the
mildly interested. There is little seed for growing interest
in any rulebook event on the Internet. It only happens at
the local level with people having fun. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To be active competitors in either
IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of disposable income
and time commitment. We draw from the same shrinking pool of
people willing to commit to a weekend out of town to
participate in what appears to be a very regimented activity
flown near the limit of visibility for many. Bigger really
is better and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying
to remain compatible with FAI.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have probably gone on too long but
I don't believe our salvation lies in a free K-Factor, not
that it shouldn't be, it just won't draw many to our
sport.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry Derek, forgive me for
splattering this even more.</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle52><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim Hiller</SPAN></SPAN> </P>
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Troy Newman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January
28, 2009 3:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim,</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
is really amazing is locally here in AZ and Sothern
California IMAC contests attract 60-70 pilots.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">IMAC
membership is up near 1000 members. They have an online only
newsletter. Not even a magazine.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Why
would it be horrible to emulate an organization that is
successful like that.</SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They
can’t be doing anything right they are just IMACers</SPAN>
</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Just
something to think about.</SPAN> </P>
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