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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>JN – there is more to the comparison of IMAC/Pattern than
the traceable history to the TOC or available ARF scenario. I think Jay
hit on it something important other day stating something to the effect that, “…
if you are not in FAI or Masters you are left on your own.”
(forgive me if it wasn’t Jay or I misquoted). Pattern and IMAC are
totally different in many ways and being that I’m involved in the
District/Leadership of each, I’ll list a few in no particular order:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Basic, Sportsman, Intermediate in IMAC: in a 50 person
contest, there are 5 Unlimited, 5 Advanced, and 40 persons spread almost
equally between the lower classes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sportsman, Intermediate, Advanced in Pattern: In a 20 person
contest, maybe 3-4 FAI, 7-10 Masters, 8-10 spread between lower classes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>R/C Clubs view holding an IMAC Contest as a money-making
event. Not so sure for the pattern event.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not such a rush to move up in classes in IMAC: IMAC
changes sequences yearly and has unknowns flown each contest, all classes
except for Basic. IMAC classes get harder in a hurry. For instance
the intermediate class will have a 90 degree rolling turn in it and numerous
snaps rolls, also a spin. There is no mercy on unknowns…
sometimes they are more difficult than the normal sequence, sometimes easier,
sometimes just different. There is not an expectation that all pilots
will reach the “destination” class. There is no destination
class in IMAC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Piloting differences? I find the average IMAC pilot is a
fairly high skilled R/C pilot that is learning the precision side of things. You
might watch a OK sequence, but later in the evening see them throwing it down
on the deck in aggressive Freestyle most of us would dare try. The Pattern
guys grow-up precision and can fly a higher scoring stall turn and have better
sequence-fundamentals (and positioning), but lack in some of the other R/C
roundness.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The IMAC ranks have a lot of guys “who used to fly pattern”
in them. I’ve heard it all as to why they stopped flying pattern
and here it is (believe me or not , up to you):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pattern
is too political at the top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Feeling
of Topped out – it didn’t matter how much I practiced, I couldn’t
improve my scores or beat that one guy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best
flights aren’t winning rounds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>d.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Didn’t
fit in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>e.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>These
are opinions range from normal pilots, to “top guys” that only fly
IMAC now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Flying/Positioning – I love the pattern way of flying in a
box, with a centerpole – I FREAKIN-HATE the IMAC way of writing sequences
with “sort of left, sort of right” maneuvers. I understand
why it is done and such, but I’d take the box anyday. Flying the
box in pattern is its “own-significant-difficulty” which makes the
less complex maneuvers harder to do. The IMAC way lets them “load-up”
each maneuver into a super-complex deal – very hard to score well I may
add too. However, its all part of the pie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Winning? In pattern, a win means you flew the sequences
the best. This is cool because often you can “beat” a better
pilot, by flying the maneuver you need to know how to do better than the other
guys. In IMAC, usually the “best” pilots wins, because it is
a combination of flying the known and unknown. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>9.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Planes? Pattern planes fly the best, but are harder to fly
well. Pattern planes are less affected by small changes in atmospheric
conditions, or good/bad engine days – IE -- you almost always have
enough power in a pattern plane regardless of sequence flown. IMAC
- totally different. Humidity (specifically), can DRASTICALLY affect the
speed of your plane. Power requirements change hugely with sequence/class
changes. For instance, unlimited need a truly unlimited power setup.
Not so easy to move up without changing equipment. A 40% plane is easier to
fly “wings-level”, but the judging penalties are 0.5 point per 5
degrees, instead of 1 point per 15 degrees. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>10.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Organizational view on Judging – I don’t know what
the NSRCA stance is on judging right now. In IMAC, there is HUGE $$$
spent on judging programs, seminars, and creating a national standard for
judging. How do they do this? They fly in people from all around the
country for a national-type of judge certification. These guys then go
forth and carry the message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why
do they do this? Because they know that regional differences and biases,
or cheating of any kind, can kill-off an organization. They put a huge
leadership and organizational priority on getting judging right. –
if you know me – you know I like that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So, there are many, many differences between the two. Personally,
I gravitate towards flying the pattern plane. However, the “competitive”
factors in IMAC are solid too and given the activity around my neck of the
woods, you can’t pass it up. So what’s the point, I guess the
point still is that the total formula is working for IMAC. The
NSRCA formula is not. What can we take from the differences to tune-up
our own game? And regarding the K-factor – in today’s economy
it is hard to justify business decisions that don’t break even. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J N
Hiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>IMAC
v/s Pattern is almost an apples to oranges comparison. IMAC popularity can be
traced to the TOC and the general appeal of large colorful high performance
readily available aircraft but mostly <u>visibility</u>. Pattern flying is
absent from many local clubs but large aerobatic airplanes are represented
nearly everywhere. The big airplanes attract the press and interests spectators.
Pattern by comparison is extremely repetitious and boring to those not directly
involved. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
didn't want to get into this here but I question how many non-pattern folks
would read a free K-Factor. There is a free sample available there now. Is anybody
finding it? The problem I find is "Pattern" visibility. I couldn't
get Google to find the NSRCA when querying aerobatics, RC aerobatics or
pattern, however IMAC showed up. It's as if some amount of prior knowledge is
needed before an outsider can gain access to pattern activity. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>AMA
doesn't do a very good of job explaining competition events or activity and if
you don't know follow the SIG you are kind of out of luck. How dose an outsider
become aware of and interested in any competition event without knowing where
to look? <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As
for the K-Factor, the publication is second to none. I have been receiving them
since it was several folded 11 x 14 sheets from a copy machine. The content has
for the most part remained about the same; mostly contest results and district
news. It's more of a competition newsletter with content of interest to those
involved and of questionable interest to outsiders or the mildly interested.
There is little seed for growing interest in any rulebook event on the
Internet. It only happens at the local level with people having fun. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To
be active competitors in either IMAC or pattern requires a fair amount of
disposable income and time commitment. We draw from the same shrinking pool of
people willing to commit to a weekend out of town to participate in what
appears to be a very regimented activity flown near the limit of visibility for
many. Bigger really is better and we (Pattern) is somewhat restricted by trying
to remain compatible with FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
have probably gone on too long but I don't believe our salvation lies in a free
K-Factor, not that it shouldn't be, it just won't draw many to our sport.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sorry
Derek, forgive me for splattering this even more.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim
Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle52><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Troy
Newman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What is really amazing is
locally here in AZ and Sothern California IMAC contests attract 60-70 pilots.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IMAC membership is up near
1000 members. They have an online only newsletter. Not even a magazine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why would it be horrible to
emulate an organization that is successful like that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They can’t be doing
anything right they are just IMACers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just something to think
about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Troy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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