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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thank you for the information Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This
speaks to the heart of the matter in my mind. From the February numbers the KF
cost the NSRCA $2976.21 On our best month of advertising from Derek's
post was November last year and we had $2100 in ads.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>That
means the KF costs us about $800 a month out of the treasury. Treasury money
comes from NATS, members’ dues and so on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So
we are paying approaching 10K a year (800+ a month for 12months) from the
NSRCA general funds to subsidize the KF in its printed form.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Or
to put it in other terms we can all understand 250 members at $40 a
person dues to subsidize the KF</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What
is our total membership now aprox 500-600? ˝ our membership funds are to fund
the KF. This is in addition to the needed advertising dollars. If those ad
dollars fall off the KF costs us that much more.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
would consider this a major financial concern for the organization. We all
enjoy our printed copy. However is it really worth this level of cost. As an
individual it’s easy to say well I paid my $40 I want my printed copy. As
a group I don’t think this a financially responsible answer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
economy is in relatively poor shape. All model suppliers (read our advertisers)
are suffering the effects of this crunch. We are so concerned about keeping a
printed copy in place to keep these companies spending their advertising $ with
us. ..yet when a advertiser doesn't renew his ad due to the economy we go
further into the membership general funds to keep the KF floating. How many ads
do we need?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>An
online only KF would still make a profit with little to no advertising money.
Today we are spending $2976 for this month. My personal feeling is going all
online would be a benefit to our advertising partners. Making the KF free to
all would increase distribution. Increase NSRCA visibility, and give our
advertising partners more exposure for their dollar spent with us. To me this
is a very win-win situation for all involved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Personally
I can't see it getting much better. Even if the KF was 100% covered by the ads
which it is not. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>People
fear change. The reality is do we need to lose 1/3 of our current advertising
income before we really see the writing on the wall. Or do we proactively
change the way we are doing things in order to make this system better for
members, better for advertising, and better for the exposure of pattern to the
modeling world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better
for the members we will have more money in the bank. Even with zero advertising
we will be 10K ahead each year. That’s if we lost all advertising.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better
for any advertisers we do have. The main supporters are going to stay with us.
They will have a larger exposure at a lower cost to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better
for pattern as anybody and everybody can get the KF for free from the Nsrca
download site.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I’m
not beating a dead horse here. I just see the possibilities of thinking ahead,
and developing a better and more current method of communication. Other SIGS
are already doing this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>They
got the same complaints when they started it, now they would not do it any
other way. My local clubs have done the same thing and have managed to provide
better funding for events, field improvements, and even fun fly events where
the club buys products for prizes instead of donations. I mean they had an
event that spent $2000-3000 on prizes and the entry fee for club members was
ZERO for the fun fly. This was a direct result of saving the postage on the
club news letter. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>By
the way the club news letter is now double the size, all in color and has
numerous ads from local Hobby shop owners. It has been a huge success over the
last 2 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Troy
Newman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org on
behalf of Ron Davies<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tue 1/27/2009 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jim
and any interested parties:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There
is not a contract in place for printing the K-Factor.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Postage
and printing is paid separately. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Postage
for the February 2009 K-Factor is $602.41. The January 2009 cost of the
K-Factor not including postage is $2,373.80. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
will provide you a cost break out of the K-Factor. Please give me a few
days as my main computer with all the information is in the repair shop. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron
Davies</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"
title="jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim (US SSA)</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, January 27,
2009 5:19 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can someone please repost the K-Factor cost break out?
Here are some questions I have about the publication:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is
there a contract in place for printing the K-Factor (if so, who is the contract
with)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are
the postage and printing paid for separately, or lumped together?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>10,000 words were sent to the list regarding whether to go
digital or keep the hard copy, but I didn’t see the information
discussing the current cost structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 26, 2009 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It costs $2100/month to print and mail out the K-Factor the way
we do it now? What is the primary cost driver, format or postage?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis
Bodary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The poll did not include a 50/50 mix. I would'nt mind a
bimonthly K-Factor and could live with an electronic version every other
month.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Makes me wonder how much advertising might be lost on a
all electronic version. <br>
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--- On <b>Sat, 1/24/09, Derek Koopowitz <i><<a
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Derek Koopowitz
<derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:19 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>It's a lot easier to allow for a "pull" of the K-Factor versus a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"push" of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>it... Pushing it means that we'd clock up the internet traffic lanes. You<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will receive a reminder email that it is available. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hatton<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:01 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The electronic copy to download is good, but I would prefer at least a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>reminder Email when a new one becomes available, and the option to have it<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>attached to the email would be even better.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Jay Marshall wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> You might want to upgrade your printer Ron. I have a 8 year old HP 970 <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> that prints both sides automatically. The real issue might be cost. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> What would it cost in ink to print a complete K-Factor in color on my <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> printer vs the cost to have NSRCA print it? I can't carry my desktop<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the throne room.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Jay Marshall<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Putte<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:42 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I like a paper copy, so I'd print it out to take it out to my hobby <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> shop or the "throne room". It is against my Scottish background<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> just print out a file one side only. I'd like to print both sides of <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> the paper. If we decide to go with an electronic K-Factor only, it <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> would be nice to have the PDF files arranged so, if we had a 6-page K- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Factor, we could print out pages 1, 3, and 5, remove the sheets from <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> the printer, flip over the sheets, reinsert the pages in the printer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> and print out pages 2, 4 and 6 on the back of the respective pages. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I know I could do it one page at a time with what we have now, but, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> with a 32-page K-Factor, that's a lot of shuffling around.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Optional when one renews - if we can work out the pricing details on <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> the paper only version.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:11 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: NSRCA Discussion List<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I guess having the option to choose which way you want it when you <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> renew is out?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I read it as an all or nothing kind of thing.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:41:30 -0800<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> On the NSRCA website - <a
href="http://www.nsrca.us">http://www.nsrca.us</a> - there is a poll that <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> we'd like everyone to participate in.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> There are two options on the poll:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> 1. NSRCA Membership with electronic K-Factor only 2. NSRCA <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Membership with paper K-Factor The board would like to find out the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> level of interest of everyone (NSRCA members and others) as to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> whether they would prefer to receive their K-Factor electronically or <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> whether they'd like to receive it as a paper copy (as it is done <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> currently). Pricing on each type of membership is unknown at this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> time, however, we believe that the electronic only membership would <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> probably result in dues that are less than the paper K-Factor <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> membership.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Please pass this email on to others that may not be connected to this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> list - you do not have to be an NSRCA member to participate in this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> poll.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> HotmailR goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. See <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> how.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <a
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