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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wow, Why the personal digs at Troy? And you apparently have a
low opinion of the NSRCA membership. I have my membership to support and
participate in the organization that promotes pattern flying. I get the
K-Factor as an added benefit. Getting it online or in print doesn't matter. To
say that most members would stop their membership in NSRCA if K-Factor went
electronic is wrong. The K-Factor as a magazine does not give me anywhere near
$40 worth of value. Making it available to everyone might help pattern get the
exposure it so desperately needs. It would certainly give our advertisers a
(hopefully) much larger audience. Hopefully it would do the same for pattern
itself. What we are currently doing is not working. I want to grow pattern.
Keeping the K-Factor to ourselves will NEVER promote pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>- Robert Beaubien<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>- NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>krishlan
fitzsimmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Troy, <br>
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My personal feeling is that you can talk this till you are blue in the face.
None of us have any facts to back this up either way yet. Your thoughts are
what ifs, just like any of ours. If we make the Kfactor free, like you want,
we will end up with 1-200 members tops @ 20 a member. And probably no
advertisers.You are claiming 10 grand ahead with no advertisers. That's not
reality if you make it free. Maybe 2- 4 grand is. No different than
where we are now. <br>
We have alot of people that only join the Nsrca to get a copy of the Kfactor.
They may not even fly pattern, or have any desire. We don't make this
magazine available at LHS's or maybe those people would not join and just buy
the magazine there. Make it free, I can almost guarantee most will not renew.
Only those that want to go for District Champion, attend the nats, or just
plain want to support pattern will renew. <br>
<br>
Derek has stated this will go both ways, not one way. Those that want paper,
will still get paper. Unless his mind gets changed, that's how it will be if
this passes. I "would' like to see it happen, yes. If it helps the
Nsrca. But on a temporary year long basis, or maybe two years. This way we
can find out how many people do not renew. <br>
<br>
I will say this, if this does go to an online magazine only, I probably won't
have the interest in editing it (which I'm sure doesn't hurt your feelings
Troy). That should go to someone who likes online stuff. Someone who could
take pride in an online magazine. I am fine with this, honestly. Anything
that can better the Nsrca I am all for. Just an online magazine that will die
out over time, I don't want to put my efforts and time into. Not being
selfish here, just, I have a 5 year old girl that deserves any free time I
have. And editing the Kfactor takes up alot of her time. But I have a passion
for growing the Kfactor into a bigger magazine, with more advertisers, and
someday having it on shelves at LHS's. <br>
<br>
To you Troy, you get nothing out of the Kfactor as you've been there, done
that. To many people though, they do. I know this because I get a lot of
emails of gratitude for what the Kfactor has become over the past 2 years. <br>
<br>
Troy, not trying to beat on you here, you are a member, and you have your
right to try to make things change for the better. Nothing wrong with that.
But you should break down the real costs before you put them in an email.
Contact all the advertisers, see if they'll stick around. Contact all the
members, see if they'll continue to pay their membership. This is a bigger
thing than you make it out to be on your end. <br>
<br>
I'll tell you this, the meeting at the AMA show did some good. I came back
and sent an email out about it to the officers, and I am passionate about
finding out the real costs and see if it can be done. I don't think you will
ever see it free to all though. I proposed a few dollar download fee.. But
making free back issues available possibly every 3 or 4 months online for
free could be done I'm thinking. <br>
<br>
Going to be interesting to see this ball keep rolling. I'm hoping it will be
discussed at the board meeting in 3 or 4 weeks. Should be a hot topic.<br>
<br>
Don't take this wrong, it's said in a mellow tone.<img id="_x0000_i1025"
src="http://mail.yimg.com/a/i/mesg/tsmileys2/30.gif"><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#0000BF'>Chris </span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Tue, 1/27/09, Troy Newman <i><troy@troynewman.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Troy Newman
<troy@troynewman.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:39 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank
you for the information Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This speaks to the
heart of the matter in my mind. From the February numbers the KF cost the
NSRCA $2976.21 On our best month of advertising from Derek's post was
November last year and we had $2100 in ads.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>That means the KF
costs us about $800 a month out of the treasury. Treasury money comes from
NATS, membersĒ dues and so on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So we are paying
approaching 10K a year (800+ a month for 12months) from the NSRCA
general funds to subsidize the KF in its printed form.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Or to put it in
other terms we can all understand 250 members at $40 a person dues to
subsidize the KF</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What is our total
membership now aprox 500-600? ― our membership funds are to fund the KF. This
is in addition to the needed advertising dollars. If those ad dollars fall
off the KF costs us that much more.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would consider
this a major financial concern for the organization. We all enjoy our printed
copy. However is it really worth this level of cost. As an individual itĒs
easy to say well I paid my $40 I want my printed copy. As a group I donĒt
think this a financially responsible answer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The economy is in
relatively poor shape. All model suppliers (read our advertisers) are
suffering the effects of this crunch. We are so concerned about keeping a
printed copy in place to keep these companies spending their advertising $
with us. ..yet when a advertiser doesn't renew his ad due to the
economy we go further into the membership general funds to keep the KF
floating. How many ads do we need?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>An online only KF
would still make a profit with little to no advertising money. Today we are
spending $2976 for this month. My personal feeling is going all online
would be a benefit to our advertising partners. Making the KF free to all
would increase distribution. Increase NSRCA visibility, and give our
advertising partners more exposure for their dollar spent with us. To me this
is a very win-win situation for all involved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Personally I can't
see it getting much better. Even if the KF was 100% covered by the ads which
it is not. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>People fear change.
The reality is do we need to lose 1/3 of our current advertising income
before we really see the writing on the wall. Or do we proactively change the
way we are doing things in order to make this system better for members,
better for advertising, and better for the exposure of pattern to the
modeling world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better for the
members we will have more money in the bank. Even with zero advertising we
will be 10K ahead each year. ThatĒs if we lost all advertising.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better for any
advertisers we do have. The main supporters are going to stay with us. They
will have a larger exposure at a lower cost to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better for pattern
as anybody and everybody can get the KF for free from the Nsrca download
site.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>IĒm not beating a
dead horse here. I just see the possibilities of thinking ahead, and
developing a better and more current method of communication. Other SIGS are
already doing this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>They got the same
complaints when they started it, now they would not do it any other way. My
local clubs have done the same thing and have managed to provide better
funding for events, field improvements, and even fun fly events where the
club buys products for prizes instead of donations. I mean they had an event
that spent $2000-3000 on prizes and the entry fee for club members was ZERO
for the fun fly. This was a direct result of saving the postage on the club
news letter. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>By the way the club
news letter is now double the size, all in color and has numerous ads from
local Hobby shop owners. It has been a huge success over the last 2 years.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Troy Newman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org on behalf of Ron Davies<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tue 1/27/2009 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jim and any
interested parties:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There is not a
contract in place for printing the K-Factor.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Postage and
printing is paid separately. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Postage for the
February 2009 K-Factor is $602.41. The January 2009 cost of the
K-Factor not including postage is $2,373.80. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I will provide you
a cost break out of the K-Factor. Please give me a few days as my main
computer with all the information is in the repair shop. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron Davies</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original
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background:#E4E4E4;-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;
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background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com" target="_blank"
title="jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><u><span style='color:blue'>Woodward, Jim
(US SSA)</span></u></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><u><span style='color:blue'>General
pattern discussion</span></u></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, January
27, 2009 5:19 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi
Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can
someone please repost the K-Factor cost break out? Here are some
questions I have about the publication:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Is there a contract in place for printing the K-Factor (if so,
who is the contract with)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are the postage and printing paid for separately, or lumped
together?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>10,000
words were sent to the list regarding whether to go digital or keep the hard
copy, but I didn</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ē</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>t see the information discussing the current cost s</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>tructure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodward,
Jim (US SSA)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 26, 2009 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It
costs $2100/month to print and mail out the K-Factor the way we do it
now? What is the primary cost driver, format or postage?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis
Bodary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'>The poll did not include a 50/50 mix. I would'nt mind a bimonthly
K-Factor and could live with an electronic version every other month.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'>Makes me wonder how much advertising might be lost on a all
electronic version. <br>
<br>
--- On <b>Sat, 1/24/09, Derek Koopowitz <i><<a
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank"><u><span
style='color:blue'>derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</span></u></a>></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From:
Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:19 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>It's a lot easier to allow for a "pull" of the K-Factor versus a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"push" of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>it... Pushing it means that we'd clock up the internet traffic lanes. You<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will receive a reminder email that it is available. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hatton<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:01 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The electronic copy to download is good, but I would prefer at least a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>reminder Email when a new one becomes available, and the option to have it<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>attached to the email would be even better.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Jay Marshall wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> You might want to upgrade your<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> printer Ron. I have a 8 year old HP 970 <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> that prints both sides automatically. The real issue might be cost. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> What would it cost in ink to print a complete K-Factor in color on my <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> printer vs the cost to have NSRCA print it? I can't carry my desktop<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the throne room.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Jay Marshall<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Putte<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:42 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I like a paper copy, so I'd print it out to take it out to my hobby <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> shop or the "throne room". It is<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> against my Scottish background<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> just print out a file one side only. I'd like to print both sides of <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> the paper. If we decide to go with an electronic K-Factor only, it <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> would be nice to have the PDF files arranged so, if we had a 6-page K- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Factor, we could print out pages 1, 3, and 5, remove the sheets from <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> the printer, flip over the sheets, reinsert the pages in the printer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> and print out pages 2, 4 and 6 on the back of the respective pages. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I know I could do it one page at a time with what we have now, but, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> with a 32-page K-Factor, that's a lot of shuffling around.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Optional when one renews<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> - if we can work out the pricing details on <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> the paper only version.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:11 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: NSRCA Discussion List<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I guess having the option to choose which way you want it when you <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> renew is out?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I read it as an all or nothing kind of thing.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:41:30 -0800<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> On the NSRCA website - <a
href="http://www.nsrca.us" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>http://www.nsrca.us</span></u></a> - there is a poll that <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> we'd like everyone to participate in.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> There are two options on the poll:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> 1. NSRCA Membership with electronic K-Factor only 2. NSRCA <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Membership with paper K-Factor The board would like to find out the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> level of interest of everyone (NSRCA members and others) as to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> whether they would prefer to receive their K-Factor electronically or <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> whether they'd like to receive it as a paper copy (as it is done <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> currently). Pricing on each type of membership is unknown at this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> time, however, we believe that the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> electronic only membership would <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> probably result in dues that are less than the paper K-Factor <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> membership.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Please pass this email on to others that may not be connected to this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> list - you do not have to be an NSRCA member to participate in this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> poll.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> HotmailR goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. See <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> how.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <a
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><u><span
style='color:blue'>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <a
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><u><span
style='color:blue'>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <a
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href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
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