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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thank you for your hard work with the K-Factor. The quality of
the magazine is higher than its been since I’ve been reading it. You bring
up some thoughts in your posts that I want to discuss. You mention wanting to
grow the K-Factor to a magazine with higher distribution and maybe placed in
the LHS. That is sounds nice, but is totally opposite to all print
indicators: New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Miami Herald, all
report massive circulation drops and revenue “losses”. We just
spent a bunch of time on a thread recently about an established R/C magazine going
out of the print business. Print media consumer habits have changed. Not even
Obama can save print media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Membership because of the K-Factor: Spending money to print the
K-Factor to retain the membership of people who joined only to receive the K-Factor,
doesn’t sound like a good reason to keep printing the K-Factor. It seems
like precision aerobatics is on the decline or just treading water over the
last few years at best. Addressing that is a different thread though. What can
we expect from this type of member? Is this the kind of member that is
promoting the group, or not actively flying, teaching, training, stuff like
that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>You mention this below, “Does Imac have anything but a
website and a discussion group? Is that what we want out of the Nsrca?” <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually,
this would be a fantastic direction for the NSRCA to go. In District 3,
pattern attendance is in serious decline. In this same geographical area, the
IMAC South East, is experiencing habitual contests of 50+ in attendance in
these last several years. Check out <a href="http://www.mini-iac.com">www.mini-iac.com</a>
and look at the SE Region to get a sense of the number of contests that are
already registered. Equate that to “people” who are out and active
in their local clubs, “organizing” their contest effort long before
it even makes it onto the website. This indicates that there is huge support
from the R/C public to have IMAC contests at their home fields, and (drum roll
please), the “active” IMAC members are out there promoting this at
the local club field – shaking hands, getting some momentum going. IMAC
dues are $20 or $25 per member – almost a no brainer to join the group.
If you do not join IMAC, the contest entry fee is slightly higher. IMAC is
growing. There is something to be studied and to take away from their current
growth curve and apply it to the NSRCA. Coincidently, this “Superbowl”
weekend, IMAC is hosting a weekend judging seminar at the JAX field. 30+ will
be in attendance. The class is hosted at a nice hotel, one day of classroom
stuff, ― a day of “judging” demonstration maneuvers and flights. Again,
there is something to take away from this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
expect everyone can remain adult and have a decent discussion about this stuff.
No drama please.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>krishlan
fitzsimmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>You took it wrong Robert.
Troy and I have our own issues. But I left hat out of this. You are Troy's
friend and flying partner. I expect this comment from you. And that's fine.
He is good to you.. <br>
You said it yourself. Print, or online doesn't matter. What if it was gone? I
can see that happening after going E. It will end up a website with a few
posts from districts that submit. Few people will submit articles or
pics to see them online. <br>
Does Imac have anything but a website and a discussion group? Is that what we
want out of the Nsrca? If so, members will go away IMO. Because you do
websites for a living, I can understand why you want it to go E. Nothing
wrong with your thoughts here Rob. Not diggin on you either. You are a good
person and I've enjoyed you out at the contests! But you are thinking of what
you would like. Some of us have to think about the whole membership. I said I
will go either for the membership, but I will go paper for myself at that
point as that's what I like. Something I can give out at my club meetings to
try to lure others into pattern. Obviously my flying and lots of helping
others at my field isn't enough. <br>
<br>
Everyone has their own thought and opinion on this and that is 100% fine.
Paper, E.... Doesn't matter to me. What does matter is keeping the Nsrca
alive. And I will do what Derek tells me until I am no longer part of it. <br>
<br>
Now lets relax bro. I didn't mean this that way. I'm sure it's easy to take
it that way, but that's why I added the last sentence of that email. I'm
chill. It ain't no thang!!! Just a few people posting their own thoughts. <o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Tue, 1/27/09, Robert L. Beaubien <i><rob@koolsoft.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Robert L. Beaubien
<rob@koolsoft.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 7:45 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wow,
Why the personal digs at Troy? And you apparently have a low opinion of
the NSRCA membership. I have my membership to support and participate
in the organization that promotes pattern flying. I get the K-Factor as
an added benefit. Getting it online or in print doesn't matter.
To say that most members would stop their membership in NSRCA if
K-Factor went electronic is wrong. The K-Factor as a magazine does not
give me anywhere near $40 worth of value. Making it available to
everyone might help pattern get the exposure it so desperately needs.
It would certainly give our advertisers a (hopefully) much larger
audience. Hopefully it would do the same for pattern itself. What
we are currently doing is not working. I want to grow pattern.
Keeping the K-Factor to ourselves will NEVER promote pattern.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-
Robert Beaubien</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-
NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>krishlan
fitzsimmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Troy,
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My personal feeling is that you can talk this till you are blue in the
face. None of us have any facts to back this up either way yet. Your
thoughts are what ifs, just like any of ours. If we make the Kfactor free,
like you want, we will end up with 1-200 members tops @ 20 a member. And
probably no advertisers.You are claiming 10 grand ahead with no
advertisers. That's not reality if you make it free. Maybe 2- 4 grand
is. No different than where we are now. <br>
We have alot of people that only join the Nsrca to get a copy of the
Kfactor. They may not even fly pattern, or have any desire. We don't make
this magazine available at LHS's or maybe those people would not join and
just buy the magazine there. Make it free, I can almost guarantee most will
not renew. Only those that want to go for District Champion, attend the
nats, or just plain want to support pattern will renew. <br>
<br>
Derek has stated this will go both ways, not one way. Those that want
paper, will still get paper. Unless his mind gets changed, that's how it
will be if this passes. I "would' like to see it happen, yes. If it
helps the Nsrca. But on a temporary year long basis, or maybe two years.
This way we can find out how many people do not renew. <br>
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I will say this, if this does go to an online magazine only, I probably
won't have the interest in editing it (which I'm sure doesn't hurt your
feelings Troy). That should go to someone who likes online stuff. Someone
who could take pride in an online magazine. I am fine with this, honestly.
Anything that can better the Nsrca I am all for. Just an online magazine
that will die out over time, I don't want to put my efforts and time into.
Not being selfish here, just, I have a 5 year old girl that deserves any
free time I have. And editing the Kfactor takes up alot of her time. But I
have a passion for growing the Kfactor into a bigger magazine, with more
advertisers, and someday having it on shelves at LHS's. <br>
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To you Troy, you get nothing out of the Kfactor as you've been there, done
that. To many people though, they do. I know this because I get a lot of
emails of gratitude for what the Kfactor has become over the past 2 years. <br>
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Troy, not trying to beat on you here, you are a member, and you have your
right to try to make things change for the better. Nothing wrong with that.
But you should break down the real costs before you put them in an email.
Contact all the advertisers, see if they'll stick around. Contact all the
members, see if they'll continue to pay their membership. This is a bigger
thing than you make it out to be on your end. <br>
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I'll tell you this, the meeting at the AMA show did some good. I came back
and sent an email out about it to the officers, and I am passionate about
finding out the real costs and see if it can be done. I don't think you
will ever see it free to all though. I proposed a few dollar download fee..
But making free back issues available possibly every 3 or 4 months online
for free could be done I'm thinking. <br>
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Going to be interesting to see this ball keep rolling. I'm hoping it will
be discussed at the board meeting in 3 or 4 weeks. Should be a hot topic.<br>
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Don't take this wrong, it's said in a mellow tone.<span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
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--- On <b>Tue, 1/27/09, Troy Newman <i><troy@troynewman.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From:
Troy Newman <troy@troynewman.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:39 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thank you for the information Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This
speaks to the heart of the matter in my mind. From the February numbers the
KF cost the NSRCA $2976.21 On our best month of advertising from
Derek's post was November last year and we had $2100 in ads.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>That
means the KF costs us about $800 a month out of the treasury. Treasury
money comes from NATS, membersĒ dues and so on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So we
are paying approaching 10K a year (800+ a month for 12months) from
the NSRCA general funds to subsidize the KF in its printed form.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Or to
put it in other terms we can all understand 250 members at $40 a
person dues to subsidize the KF</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What
is our total membership now aprox 500-600? ― our membership funds are to
fund the KF. This is in addition to the needed advertising dollars. If
those ad dollars fall off the KF costs us that much more.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
would consider this a major financial concern for the organization. We all
enjoy our printed copy. However is it really worth this level of cost. As
an individual itĒs easy to say well I paid my $40 I want my printed copy.
As a group I donĒt think this a financially responsible answer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
economy is in relatively poor shape. All model suppliers (read our
advertisers) are suffering the effects of this crunch. We are so concerned
about keeping a printed copy in place to keep these companies spending
their advertising $ with us. ..yet when a advertiser doesn't renew his ad
due to the economy we go further into the membership general funds to
keep the KF floating. How many ads do we need?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>An
online only KF would still make a profit with little to no advertising
money. Today we are spending $2976 for this month. My personal
feeling is going all online would be a benefit to our advertising partners.
Making the KF free to all would increase distribution. Increase NSRCA
visibility, and give our advertising partners more exposure for their
dollar spent with us. To me this is a very win-win situation for all
involved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Personally
I can't see it getting much better. Even if the KF was 100% covered by the
ads which it is not. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>People
fear change. The reality is do we need to lose 1/3 of our current
advertising income before we really see the writing on the wall. Or do we
proactively change the way we are doing things in order to make this system
better for members, better for advertising, and better for the exposure of
pattern to the modeling world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better
for the members we will have more money in the bank. Even with zero
advertising we will be 10K ahead each year. ThatĒs if we lost all
advertising.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better
for any advertisers we do have. The main supporters are going to stay with
us. They will have a larger exposure at a lower cost to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Better
for pattern as anybody and everybody can get the KF for free from the Nsrca
download site.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>IĒm
not beating a dead horse here. I just see the possibilities of thinking
ahead, and developing a better and more current method of communication.
Other SIGS are already doing this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>They
got the same complaints when they started it, now they would not do it any
other way. My local clubs have done the same thing and have managed to
provide better funding for events, field improvements, and even fun fly
events where the club buys products for prizes instead of donations. I mean
they had an event that spent $2000-3000 on prizes and the entry fee for
club members was ZERO for the fun fly. This was a direct result of saving
the postage on the club news letter. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>By
the way the club news letter is now double the size, all in color and has
numerous ads from local Hobby shop owners. It has been a huge success over
the last 2 years.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Troy
Newman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org on behalf of Ron Davies<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tue 1/27/2009 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jim
and any interested parties:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There
is not a contract in place for printing the K-Factor.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Postage
and printing is paid separately. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Postage
for the February 2009 K-Factor is $602.41. The January 2009 cost of
the K-Factor not including postage is $2,373.80. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
will provide you a cost break out of the K-Factor. Please give me a
few days as my main computer with all the information is in the repair
shop. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron
Davies</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;background:#E4E4E4;-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;background-attachment:scroll;
background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com" target="_blank"
title="jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim (US SSA)</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, January
27, 2009 5:19 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can someone please repost the K-Factor cost break out?
Here are some questions I have about the publication:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Is there a contract in place for printing the K-Factor (if
so, who is the contract with)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are the postage and printing paid for separately, or lumped
together?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>10,000 words were sent to the list regarding whether to go
digital or keep the hard copy, but I didn</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ē</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>t
see the information discussing the current cost structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;
border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodward,
Jim (US SSA)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 26, 2009 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It costs $2100/month to print and mail out the K-Factor the
way we do it now? What is the primary cost driver, format or
postage?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;
border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis
Bodary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor
Poll</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'>The poll did not include a 50/50 mix. I would'nt mind a bimonthly
K-Factor and could live with an electronic version every other month.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
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Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:19 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>It's a lot easier to allow for a "pull" of the K-Factor versus a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"push" of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>it... Pushing it means that we'd clock up the internet traffic lanes. You<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will receive a reminder email that it is available. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hatton<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:01 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The electronic copy to download is good, but I would prefer at least a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>reminder Email when a new one becomes available, and the option to have it<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>attached to the email would be even better.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Jay Marshall wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> You might want to upgrade<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> your<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> printer Ron. I have a 8 year old HP 970 <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> that prints both sides automatically. The real issue might be cost. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> What would it cost in ink to print a complete K-Factor in color on my <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> printer vs the cost to have NSRCA print it? I can't carry my desktop<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the throne room.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Jay Marshall<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Putte<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:42 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I like a paper copy, so I'd print it out to take it out to my hobby <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> shop or the "throne<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> room". It is<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> against my Scottish background<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> just print out a file one side only. I'd like to print both sides of <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> the paper. If we decide to go with an electronic K-Factor only, it <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> would be nice to have the PDF files arranged so, if we had a 6-page K- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Factor, we could print out pages 1, 3, and 5, remove the sheets from <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> the printer, flip over the sheets, reinsert the pages in the printer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> and print out pages 2, 4 and 6 on the back of the respective pages. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I know I could do it one page at a time with what we have now, but, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> with a 32-page K-Factor, that's a lot of shuffling around.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Optional when one renews<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> - if we can work out the pricing details on <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> the paper only version.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:11 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: NSRCA Discussion List<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I guess having the option to choose which way you want it when you <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> renew is out?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I read it as an all or nothing kind of thing.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Date:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:41:30 -0800<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic versus Paper K-Factor Poll<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> On the NSRCA website - <a
href="http://www.nsrca.us" target="_blank">http://www.nsrca.us</a> - there is a poll that <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> we'd like everyone to participate in.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> There are two options on the poll:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> 1. NSRCA Membership with electronic K-Factor only 2. NSRCA <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Membership with paper K-Factor The board would like to find out the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> level of interest of everyone (NSRCA members and others) as to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> whether they would prefer to receive their K-Factor electronically or <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> whether they'd like to receive it as a paper copy (as it is done <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> currently). <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Pricing on each type of membership is unknown at this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> time, however, we believe that the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> electronic only membership would <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> probably result in dues that are less than the paper K-Factor <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> membership.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Please pass this email on to others that may not be connected to this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> list - you do not have to be an NSRCA member to participate in this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> poll.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> HotmailR goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. See <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> how.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <a
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