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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll send you some high resolution
pics offline of how the Vivat/Prestige gear is made. It is thin, narrow,
and quite flexible in the vertical axis, but very stiff torsionally (yes, it
has biased CF cloth). No toe in. No sweep. Slight arc (think
Sukhoi). Very nice shiny finish out of the mold – looks like clear
coated carbon fiber – would be a shame to paint them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On the Prestige, the wheelpants are
integrated with the gear leg, so mounting the pants mount very easily and are
very durable. The pants are lightweight fiberglass, which works very well
– the glass is not as brittle as the CF. Of the 3 sets of LG and
wheelpants I have, the LG weighs 96 grams per set, and the wheel pants weigh 30
grams per set. I typically freshen up the paint and fix cracks on the
wheelpants after about 400 flights on rough grass fields.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I prioritize function over appearance, so
I say no sweep – it only adds load to the mounting structure, and if the
mounting structure is in the correct place, sweep is not needed to put the
axles at the right location. The small bit of arc adds aesthetic appeal
to the gear, if straight leg stuff is offensive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am not a fan of the typical 2 piece gear
– where each half stops short of the middle, and a nasty bending load is
created in the center of the gear plate (unless a spreader plate/joiner is
attached between the two legs). The Vivat/Prestige gear overlap within
the fuselage, so loads are carried on the edges of the fuse, and there is
little need for the beefy gear plate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 16, 2009
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>If "swept" gear are preferred for the
appearance, and impact form fit and function, that is, there is a performace
trade off to look cool, then all who prioitize in such a manner will be unhappy
with a gear set if we make it. My priorties going forward will be:</span></font>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>1.
Performance =stiffness, weight, twist- balanced by</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>2.
Cost= material used, labor and cycle time</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>3.
Cosmetics= need to look good BUT it is #3</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>If
Cost were no issue We could make a gorgeous set of ultimate performing gear,
but cost is a large issue and if AeroSlave does not follow through it will be
because of cost. We must be able to cover our non reccurring costs of
engineering and especially molds which are very expensive. I am always a bit
hesitant with the pattern crowd and the need for the plane's components to be
prettier than the pilot or even his wife! I understand paint finish and such
but making a landing gear perfectly gorgeous when scutinized up close may add
$25 per set. Some will say this is a requirement, some will not. This is what I
am trying to figure out at the moment. Lance and I have a big handle on the
technical aspects, but things like sweep, finish etc can kill this (from a
business apsect) before we get off the ground. Swept gear will require more
molds =$$$. Almost everyone cuts a single gear into a left and a right. </span></font>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>I
do find all this input interesting, but Lance and I will have to figure out how
to proceed. This feedback about stiffness, bouncing, toe in etc is great. We
have prototypes performing very well, but now we need to productionize the
design. <br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color="#004080" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#004080'>Gray, the toe in twist issue on the
ES gear was definitely an issue I ran into, at least with the taller electric
version. Also, on crosswind landings if I didn’t straighten it out just
right before touching down it would start doing a sideways hoping action with
the forward leg acting like a spring. I think you may have seen this in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Lubbock</st1:place></st1:City>. This is the only
set of gear I’ve ever experienced this with. More ridged gear don’t
seem prone to this behavior.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 color="#004080" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<font size=2 color="#004080" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#004080'>As to straight vs. swept, straight may be
easier to fabricate as a first attempt to get something to market and would
provide interchangeability. On the other hand, if you dork one half of your
gear you still have to buy a whole new set and there’s not much you can
do with the other half, unless you have a habit of dorking gear. The
swept look is most definitely nicer. I’d go with what you think will sell
the best, based on sex appeal, and will be structurally sound. I wouldn’t
worry about giving the multiple gear dorkers the ability to use either half on
either side. Besides, multiple gear dorkers will help keep you in business. </span></font><font
size=2 color="#004080" face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:#004080'>J</span></font> <br>
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<b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gray E Fowler<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:57 PM<b><span style='font-weight:
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To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</span></font> <br>
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Anthony</span></font> <br>
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What did you think about the ES gear twist? That is the wheel going toe in- toe
out hitting small bumps. ES had nothing but zero degree fibers. That is the one
design issue I am conteplating at the moment. </span></font><br>
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Also considering that all new planes are widebody that is what needs to be
addressed..BUT having a 1 continuous gear will be more weight. I am thinking it
is better to split the gear for a weight savings. If we make two pieces,
and either piece can be a left or a right, then a broken gear is only on one
side. Any advantage to that?</span></font><br>
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Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
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Graph Tech is not for us. I am sure their stuff is well suited for the IMAC
style planes that they are designed for but too heavy and way too stiff for our
use. <br>
I went through their website and picked a gear based on dimension of the ES. 2+
ounces heavier and twice as thick with zero flex. Broke the gear out of my
Black Magic many times when hitting small holes in the runway. Rick donated his
ES gear and life has been much better. <br>
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Anthony</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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From: jlachow@hotmail.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:59:26 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<br>
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Anyone have any luck with the Graph Tech RC stuff? Only experience was
with some smaller electrics that worked just fine. They have carbon pants and
spinners, as well.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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From: tony@radiosouthrc.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:23 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<br>
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Thanks, Jim. Those are $112.00 I think… about double that of the
Bolly…. Not sure how that will go….. but if there are no other
choices…</span></font> <font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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Tony Stillman, President</span></font> <font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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Radio South, Inc.</span></font> <font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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139 Altama Connector, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box 322</st1:Street><font
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From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:52 PM<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'><br>
To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</span></font> <br>
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Tony,</span></font> <font size=2 color="#004080" face=Calibri><span
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Luiz at Net Box Hobby carrys the CA carbon gear.</span></font> <font size=2
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Thanks,</span></font> <font size=2 color="#004080" face=Arial><span
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Jim</span></font> <b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tony<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:36 PM<b><span style='font-weight:
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To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</span></font> <br>
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I just received conformation that BOLLY has gone out of business.
Unfortunately, this is a major supplier of CF landing gear and wheel
pants. I have been awaiting a shipment of several items, and now it does
not look like that will happen. I am working now to determine if there
are any gear/wheel pants available. </span></font> <font size=2
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The really bad thing is that I am not sure what options we have left, other than
going with a kit/arf manufacturer’s gear. Ed Skorpa dropped his
gear last year…</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
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Tony Stillman, President</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Radio South, Inc.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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139 Altama Connector, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box 322</st1:Street><font
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www.radiosouthrc.com</span></font> <br>
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