<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Wayne come by my house for a free muffler
as payment........and stop making sense!!! This is PATTERN<br>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Why should UGLY be a factor in a pipe as
it is confined within the beauty of the aircraft? These people have
not the knowledge of a well designed and tested component.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Wayne Galligan</font>
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<br><font size=3> I will tell you this:</font>
<br><font size=3>I use your pipes primarily due to the weight and performance
advantages. However, I know of a few instances where I've recommended them
to others, only to have the guy tell me that it was so ugly (the pipe)
when he got it that he decided to sell it and use something else. I guess
it's a matter of personal preference but that's something to keep in mind.</font>
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--- On <b>Fri, 1/16/09, Gray E Fowler <i><gfowler@raytheon.com></i></b>
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<br><font size=3>From: Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:57 PM<br>
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If "swept" gear are preferred for the appearance, and impact
form fit and function, that is, there is a performace trade off to look
cool, then all who prioitize in such a manner will be unhappy with
a gear set if we make it. My priorties going forward will be:</font><font size=3>
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1. Performance =stiffness, weight, twist- balanced by</font><font size=3>
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2. Cost= material used, labor and cycle time</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
3. Cosmetics= need to look good BUT it is #3</font><font size=3> <br>
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If Cost were no issue We could make a gorgeous set of ultimate performing
gear, but cost is a large issue and if AeroSlave does not follow through
it will be because of cost. We must be able to cover our non reccurring
costs of engineering and especially molds which are very expensive. I am
always a bit hesitant with the pattern crowd and the need for the plane's
components to be prettier than the pilot or even his wife! I understand
paint finish and such but making a landing gear perfectly gorgeous when
scutinized up close may add $25 per set. Some will say this is a requirement,
some will not. This is what I am trying to figure out at the moment. Lance
and I have a big handle on the technical aspects, but things like sweep,
finish etc can kill this (from a business apsect) before we get off the
ground. Swept gear will require more molds =$$$. Almost everyone cuts a
single gear into a left and a right. </font><font size=3>
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I do find all this input interesting, but Lance and I will have to figure
out how to proceed. This feedback about stiffness, bouncing, toe in etc
is great. We have prototypes performing very well, but now we need to productionize
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Gray, the toe in twist issue on the ES gear was definitely an issue I ran
into, at least with the taller electric version. Also, on crosswind landings
if I didn’t straighten it out just right before touching down it would
start doing a sideways hoping action with the forward leg acting like a
spring. I think you may have seen this in Lubbock. This is the only set
of gear I’ve ever experienced this with. More ridged gear don’t seem
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As to straight vs. swept, straight may be easier to fabricate as a first
attempt to get something to market and would provide interchangeability.
On the other hand, if you dork one half of your gear you still have to
buy a whole new set and there’s not much you can do with the other half,
unless you have a habit of dorking gear. The swept look is most definitely
nicer. I’d go with what you think will sell the best, based on sex appeal,
and will be structurally sound. I wouldn’t worry about giving the multiple
gear dorkers the ability to use either half on either side. Besides, multiple
gear dorkers will help keep you in business. </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Wingdings">J</font><font size=3>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray E Fowler<b><br>
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What did you think about the ES gear twist? That is the wheel going toe
in- toe out hitting small bumps. ES had nothing but zero degree fibers.
That is the one design issue I am conteplating at the moment. <br>
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Also considering that all new planes are widebody that is what needs to
be addressed..BUT having a 1 continuous gear will be more weight. I am
thinking it is better to split the gear for a weight savings. If
we make two pieces, and either piece can be a left or a right, then a broken
gear is only on one side. Any advantage to that?<br>
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Graph Tech is not for us. I am sure their stuff is well suited for the
IMAC style planes that they are designed for but too heavy and way too
stiff for our use. <br>
I went through their website and picked a gear based on dimension of the
ES. 2+ ounces heavier and twice as thick with zero flex. Broke the gear
out of my Black Magic many times when hitting small holes in the runway.
Rick donated his ES gear and life has been much better. <br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:59:26 -0500<br>
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Anyone have any luck with the Graph Tech RC stuff? Only experience
was with some smaller electrics that worked just fine. They have carbon
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Thanks, Jim. Those are $112.00 I think… about double that of the
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<b><br>
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Luiz at Net Box Hobby carrys the CA carbon gear.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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I just received conformation that BOLLY has gone out of business. Unfortunately,
this is a major supplier of CF landing gear and wheel pants. I have
been awaiting a shipment of several items, and now it does not look like
that will happen. I am working now to determine if there are any
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The really bad thing is that I am not sure what options we have left, other
than going with a kit/arf manufacturer’s gear. Ed Skorpa dropped
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