<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If "swept" gear are preferred
for the appearance, and impact form fit and function, that is, there is
a performace trade off to look cool, then all who prioitize in such a manner
will be unhappy with a gear set if we make it. My priorties
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1. Performance =stiffness, weight, twist-
balanced by</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2. Cost= material used, labor and cycle
time</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">3. Cosmetics= need to look good BUT
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If Cost were no issue We could make
a gorgeous set of ultimate performing gear, but cost is a large issue and
if AeroSlave does not follow through it will be because of cost. We must
be able to cover our non reccurring costs of engineering and especially
molds which are very expensive. I am always a bit hesitant with the pattern
crowd and the need for the plane's components to be prettier than the pilot
or even his wife! I understand paint finish and such but making a landing
gear perfectly gorgeous when scutinized up close may add $25 per set. Some
will say this is a requirement, some will not. This is what I am trying
to figure out at the moment. Lance and I have a big handle on the technical
aspects, but things like sweep, finish etc can kill this (from a business
apsect) before we get off the ground. Swept gear will require more molds
=$$$. Almost everyone cuts a single gear into a left and a right.
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I do find all this input interesting,
but Lance and I will have to figure out how to proceed. This feedback about
stiffness, bouncing, toe in etc is great. We have prototypes performing
very well, but now we need to productionize the design. <br>
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<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Gray, the toe in twist issue
on the ES gear was definitely an issue I ran into, at least with the taller
electric version. Also, on crosswind landings if I didn’t straighten it
out just right before touching down it would start doing a sideways hoping
action with the forward leg acting like a spring. I think you may have
seen this in Lubbock. This is the only set of gear I’ve ever experienced
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<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">As to straight vs. swept,
straight may be easier to fabricate as a first attempt to get something
to market and would provide interchangeability. On the other hand, if you
dork one half of your gear you still have to buy a whole new set and there’s
not much you can do with the other half, unless you have a habit of dorking
gear. The swept look is most definitely nicer. I’d go with what
you think will sell the best, based on sex appeal, and will be structurally
sound. I wouldn’t worry about giving the multiple gear dorkers the ability
to use either half on either side. Besides, multiple gear dorkers will
help keep you in business. </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Wingdings">J</font>
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E Fowler<b><br>
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What did you think about the ES gear twist? That is the wheel going toe
in- toe out hitting small bumps. ES had nothing but zero degree fibers.
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Also considering that all new planes are widebody that is what needs to
be addressed..BUT having a 1 continuous gear will be more weight. I am
thinking it is better to split the gear for a weight savings. If
we make two pieces, and either piece can be a left or a right, then a broken
gear is only on one side. Any advantage to that?</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
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Graph Tech is not for us. I am sure their stuff is well suited for the
IMAC style planes that they are designed for but too heavy and way too
stiff for our use. <br>
I went through their website and picked a gear based on dimension of the
ES. 2+ ounces heavier and twice as thick with zero flex. Broke the gear
out of my Black Magic many times when hitting small holes in the runway.
Rick donated his ES gear and life has been much better. <br>
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From: jlachow@hotmail.com<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:59:26 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<br>
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Anyone have any luck with the Graph Tech RC stuff? Only experience
was with some smaller electrics that worked just fine. They have carbon
pants and spinners, as well.</font>
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From: tony@radiosouthrc.com<br>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:23 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<br>
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Thanks, Jim. Those are $112.00 I think… about double that of the
Bolly…. Not sure how that will go….. but if there are no other choices…</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Tony Stillman, President</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
Radio South, Inc.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
139 Altama Connector, Box 322</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Brunswick, GA 31525</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
1-800-962-7802</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<b><br>
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Luiz at Net Box Hobby carrys the CA carbon gear.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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I just received conformation that BOLLY has gone out of business. Unfortunately,
this is a major supplier of CF landing gear and wheel pants. I have
been awaiting a shipment of several items, and now it does not look like
that will happen. I am working now to determine if there are any
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The really bad thing is that I am not sure what options we have left, other
than going with a kit/arf manufacturer’s gear. Ed Skorpa dropped
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139 Altama Connector, Box 322</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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