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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why should UGLY be a factor in a pipe as it is
confined within the beauty of the aircraft? These people have not the
knowledge of a well designed and tested component.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Galligan<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 16, 2009 11:16
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out
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<DIV>Gray,</DIV>
<DIV> I will tell you this:</DIV>
<DIV>I use your pipes primarily due to the weight and performance
advantages. However, I know of a few instances where I've
recommended them to others, only to have the guy tell me that it was so
ugly (the pipe) when he got it that he decided to sell it and use
something else. I guess it's a matter of personal preference but that's
something to keep in mind.</DIV>
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<DIV>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/16/09, Gray E Fowler
<I><gfowler@raytheon.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Friday,
January 16, 2009, 4:57 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1057700900><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If "swept" gear
are preferred for the appearance, and impact form fit and function,
that is, there is a performace trade off to look cool, then all who
prioitize in such a manner will be unhappy with a gear set if we
make it. My priorties going forward will be:</FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>1. Performance =stiffness,
weight, twist- balanced by</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>2.
Cost= material used, labor and cycle time</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>3. Cosmetics= need to look good BUT it is
#3</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If Cost were no issue
We could make a gorgeous set of ultimate performing gear, but cost is
a large issue and if AeroSlave does not follow through it will be
because of cost. We must be able to cover our non reccurring
costs of engineering and especially molds which are very expensive. I
am always a bit hesitant with the pattern crowd and the need for the
plane's components to be prettier than the pilot or even his wife! I
understand paint finish and such but making a landing gear perfectly
gorgeous when scutinized up close may add $25 per set. Some will say
this is a requirement, some will not. This is what I am trying to
figure out at the moment. Lance and I have a big handle on the
technical aspects, but things like sweep, finish etc can kill this
(from a business apsect) before we get off the ground. Swept gear will
require more molds =$$$. Almost everyone cuts a single gear into a
left and a right. </FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>I do find all this input interesting, but Lance and I will have
to figure out how to proceed. This feedback about stiffness, bouncing,
toe in etc is great. We have prototypes performing very well, but now
we need to productionize the design. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal
Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical
Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2>Gray, the toe in twist issue on the
ES gear was definitely an issue I ran into, at least with the taller
electric version. Also, on crosswind landings if I didn’t straighten
it out just right before touching down it would start doing a sideways
hoping action with the forward leg acting like a spring. I think you
may have seen this in Lubbock. This is the only set of gear I’ve ever
experienced this with. More ridged gear don’t seem prone to this
behavior.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080
size=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2>As to
straight vs. swept, straight may be easier to fabricate as a first
attempt to get something to market and would provide
interchangeability. On the other hand, if you dork one half of your
gear you still have to buy a whole new set and there’s not much you
can do with the other half, unless you have a habit of dorking
gear. The swept look is most definitely nicer. I’d go with what
you think will sell the best, based on sex appeal, and will be
structurally sound. I wouldn’t worry about giving the multiple gear
dorkers the ability to use either half on either side. Besides,
multiple gear dorkers will help keep you in business. </FONT><FONT
face=Wingdings color=#004080 size=2>J</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Calibri
color=#004080 size=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Calibri
color=#004080 size=2>Keith </FONT><BR><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080
size=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Gray E Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:57
PM<B><BR>To:</B> General pattern discussion<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Anthony</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>What did you think about the ES
gear twist? That is the wheel going toe in- toe out hitting small
bumps. ES had nothing but zero degree fibers. That is the one design
issue I am conteplating at the moment. </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Also considering that all new planes are widebody that is
what needs to be addressed..BUT having a 1 continuous gear will be
more weight. I am thinking it is better to split the gear for a weight
savings. If we make two pieces, and either piece can be a left
or a right, then a broken gear is only on one side. Any advantage to
that?</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal
Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical
Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT
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size=2><BR>Graph Tech is not for us. I am sure their stuff is well
suited for the IMAC style planes that they are designed for but too
heavy and way too stiff for our use. <BR>I went through their website
and picked a gear based on dimension of the ES. 2+ ounces heavier and
twice as thick with zero flex. Broke the gear out of my Black Magic
many times when hitting small holes in the runway. Rick donated his ES
gear and life has been much better. <BR><BR>Anthony<BR></FONT>
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</DIV><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><BR>From:
jlachow@hotmail.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date:
Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:59:26 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
BOLLY out of business<BR><BR>Anyone have any luck with the Graph Tech
RC stuff? Only experience was with some smaller electrics that
worked just fine. They have carbon pants and spinners, as well.</FONT>
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</DIV><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><BR>From:
tony@radiosouthrc.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date:
Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:23 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
BOLLY out of business<BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Thanks,
Jim. Those are $112.00 I think… about double that of the Bolly….
Not sure how that will go….. but if there are no other
choices…</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Tony
Stillman, President</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Radio South,
Inc.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>139 Altama Connector, Box
322</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2><BR>Brunswick, GA 31525</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2><BR>1-800-962-7802</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2><BR>www.radiosouthrc.com</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009
2:52 PM<B><BR>To:</B> General pattern discussion<B><BR>Subject:</B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri
color=#004080 size=2><BR>Tony,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Luiz
at Net Box Hobby carrys the CA carbon gear.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080
size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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size=2><BR>Thanks,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#004080 size=2><BR>Jim</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Tony<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:36
PM<B><BR>To:</B> 'General pattern discussion'<B><BR>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>I just received conformation that BOLLY has gone out of
business. Unfortunately, this is a major supplier of CF landing
gear and wheel pants. I have been awaiting a shipment of several
items, and now it does not look like that will happen. I am
working now to determine if there are any gear/wheel pants available.
</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>The really bad thing
is that I am not sure what options we have left, other than going with
a kit/arf manufacturer’s gear. Ed Skorpa dropped his gear last
year…</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Tony Stillman,
President</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>Radio South, Inc.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>139
Altama Connector, Box 322</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Brunswick, GA
31525</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>1-800-962-7802</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>www.radiosouthrc.com</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> <BR> </FONT>
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