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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know that guy! He's a very good builder and
very into appearance of every part of the model. Most probably don't care
about that however. I want my stuff to perform well and to last for a
reasonable lifespan.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gfowler@raytheon.com href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 16, 2009 2:37
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] AeroSlave
Stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>John</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>We are aware of the cosmetic opinion with the
muffler-actually one guy returned it without using it for cosmetic reasons. In
this day and age when mufflers are totally hidden, it does not make sense to
me that the cosmetic appearance of an item that is never seen,is so important.
Our muffler is absolutely:</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>1. The
lowest weight available</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>The
standard muffler is 2.9 oz, our Ultralite is 2.3 oz</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>2. Lowest cost for a CF muffler</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>3. Very durable-molded in aluminum inlet-no burnout
failures</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>All CF mufflers have a
limited life-we honor our 1 year warranty</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>4. Best performance-highest RPM's regardless of engine-AND meet noise
regs</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>5.. Are not the prettiest
around</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If I over molded the
thickness and sanded down the body I could make'em pretty. But that would add
cost and weight. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Look at the list
of "wants" about the landing gear that have been generated. It is safe to say
that the Pattern flyer wants...EVERYTHING. Which is why this can be a scary
market. Pattern flyers are tougher to sell than the Airforce-you guys are
worse than NavAIR! (inside industry joke!!!-I apologize in advance).
Unlike the muffler,we realize the the gear will be seen all the time.
Honestly, I am sorting through all this to see if we want to do it at all.
Knowing there is a large faction of pattern flyers that value appearance above
performance a sTHE dominating criteria kind of disturbs me, as I am not of
that mold. I even have local friends that are this way. But there is hope-we
have sold alot of mufflers-barren as they are, and I have zero qualms about
people buying the other guy's product based solely on cosmetics-and that is
what it is. Anyone looking at the product based on price, weight and
performance would not make such a choice. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>We realize the gear must look decent, the muffler's appearance is
a choice we made based on our priorities, knowing there was to be some
personal rejection, and that is okay. On landing gear...no matter what,
feel free to paint them!</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Signed</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>AeroSlave Dude
</FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>At my real job...I better do some real
work!<BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and
Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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<TD><FONT size=3>Gray,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> I will tell you
this:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>I use your pipes primarily due to the
weight and performance advantages. However, I know of a few instances
where I've recommended them to others, only to have the guy tell me that
it was so ugly (the pipe) when he got it that he decided to sell it and
use something else. I guess it's a matter of personal preference but
that's something to keep in mind.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/16/09, Gray E
Fowler <I><gfowler@raytheon.com></I></B> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3>From: Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Friday,
January 16, 2009, 4:57 PM<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>If "swept" gear are preferred for the appearance, and impact
form fit and function, that is, there is a performace trade off to look
cool, then all who prioitize in such a manner will be unhappy with
a gear set if we make it. My priorties going forward will
be:</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>1.
Performance =stiffness, weight, twist- balanced by</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>2. Cost= material used, labor
and cycle time</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>3. Cosmetics= need to look good BUT it is #3</FONT><FONT
size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>If Cost were no
issue We could make a gorgeous set of ultimate performing gear, but cost
is a large issue and if AeroSlave does not follow through it will be
because of cost. We must be able to cover our non reccurring costs
of engineering and especially molds which are very expensive. I am
always a bit hesitant with the pattern crowd and the need for the
plane's components to be prettier than the pilot or even his wife! I
understand paint finish and such but making a landing gear perfectly
gorgeous when scutinized up close may add $25 per set. Some will say
this is a requirement, some will not. This is what I am trying to figure
out at the moment. Lance and I have a big handle on the technical
aspects, but things like sweep, finish etc can kill this (from a
business apsect) before we get off the ground. Swept gear will require
more molds =$$$. Almost everyone cuts a single gear into a left and a
right. </FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I do find all this input interesting, but
Lance and I will have to figure out how to proceed. This feedback about
stiffness, bouncing, toe in etc is great. We have prototypes performing
very well, but now we need to productionize the design. </FONT><FONT
size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty
Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR><BR></FONT><BR>
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<TD width="46%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Keith Black"
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size=3><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Gray,
the toe in twist issue on the ES gear was definitely an issue I ran
into, at least with the taller electric version. Also, on crosswind
landings if I didn’t straighten it out just right before touching down
it would start doing a sideways hoping action with the forward leg
acting like a spring. I think you may have seen this in Lubbock. This is
the only set of gear I’ve ever experienced this with. More ridged gear
don’t seem prone to this behavior.</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>As to
straight vs. swept, straight may be easier to fabricate as a first
attempt to get something to market and would provide interchangeability.
On the other hand, if you dork one half of your gear you still have to
buy a whole new set and there’s not much you can do with the other half,
unless you have a habit of dorking gear. The swept look is most
definitely nicer. I’d go with what you think will sell the best, based
on sex appeal, and will be structurally sound. I wouldn’t worry about
giving the multiple gear dorkers the ability to use either half on
either side. Besides, multiple gear dorkers will help keep you in
business. </FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=#004080 size=2>J</FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Keith
<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Gray E Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:57
PM<B><BR>To:</B> General pattern discussion<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT size=3>
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size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR><BR>Anthony</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR><BR>What did you think about the ES gear twist? That is the
wheel going toe in- toe out hitting small bumps. ES had nothing but zero
degree fibers. That is the one design issue I am conteplating at the
moment. <BR><BR>Also considering that all new planes are widebody that
is what needs to be addressed..BUT having a 1 continuous gear will be
more weight. I am thinking it is better to split the gear for a weight
savings. If we make two pieces, and either piece can be a left or
a right, then a broken gear is only on one side. Any advantage to
that?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff
Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<TD width="53%"><FONT face=Arial size=1><B>Anthony Romano
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size=2><BR><BR>Graph Tech is not for us. I am sure their stuff is well
suited for the IMAC style planes that they are designed for but too
heavy and way too stiff for our use. <BR>I went through their website
and picked a gear based on dimension of the ES. 2+ ounces heavier and
twice as thick with zero flex. Broke the gear out of my Black Magic many
times when hitting small holes in the runway. Rick donated his ES gear
and life has been much better. <BR><BR>Anthony</FONT>
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</DIV><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><BR><BR>From:
jlachow@hotmail.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date:
Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:59:26 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY
out of business<BR><BR>Anyone have any luck with the Graph Tech RC
stuff? Only experience was with some smaller electrics that worked
just fine. They have carbon pants and spinners, as well.</FONT><FONT
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</DIV><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><BR><BR>From:
tony@radiosouthrc.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date:
Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:23 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY
out of business</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR><BR>Thanks,
Jim. Those are $112.00 I think… about double that of the Bolly….
Not sure how that will go….. but if there are no other
choices…</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Tony Stillman, President</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2><BR>Radio South, Inc.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>139 Altama Connector,
Box 322</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Brunswick, GA
31525</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>1-800-962-7802</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2><BR>www.radiosouthrc.com</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009
2:52 PM<B><BR>To:</B> General pattern discussion<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Calibri
color=#004080 size=2><BR>Tony,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Luiz at
Net Box Hobby carrys the CA carbon gear.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#004080
size=2><BR>Thanks,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#004080 size=2><BR>Jim</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Tony<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:36
PM<B><BR>To:</B> 'General pattern discussion'<B><BR>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>I
just received conformation that BOLLY has gone out of business.
Unfortunately, this is a major supplier of CF landing gear and
wheel pants. I have been awaiting a shipment of several items, and
now it does not look like that will happen. I am working now to
determine if there are any gear/wheel pants available.
</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>The really bad thing is that I am not sure what
options we have left, other than going with a kit/arf manufacturer’s
gear. Ed Skorpa dropped his gear last year…</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Tony Stillman, President</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Radio South, Inc.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>139
Altama Connector, Box 322</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Brunswick, GA 31525</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>1-800-962-7802</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>www.radiosouthrc.com</FONT><FONT
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