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<DIV>Just make the gear light and durable....everyone will buy them after the first users post the weight savings and rant about survivability after a hard landing.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think canard style with minimal sweep is the way to go.</DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv1629010185><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>John</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>We are aware of the cosmetic opinion with the muffler-actually one guy returned it without using it for cosmetic reasons. In this day and age when mufflers are totally hidden, it does not make sense to me that the cosmetic appearance of an item that is never seen,is so important. Our muffler is absolutely:</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>1. The lowest weight available</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>The standard muffler is 2.9 oz, our Ultralite is 2.3 oz</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>2. Lowest cost for a CF muffler</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>3. Very durable-molded in aluminum inlet-no burnout failures</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>All CF mufflers have a limited life-we honor our 1 year warranty</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>4. Best performance-highest RPM's regardless of
engine-AND meet noise regs</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>5.. Are not the prettiest around</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If I over molded the thickness and sanded down the body I could make'em pretty. But that would add cost and weight. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Look at the list of "wants" about the landing gear that have been generated. It is safe to say that the Pattern flyer wants...EVERYTHING. Which is why this can be a scary market. Pattern flyers are tougher to sell than the Airforce-you guys are worse than NavAIR! (inside industry joke!!!-I apologize in advance). Unlike the muffler,we realize the the gear will be seen all the time. Honestly, I am sorting through all this to see if we want to do it at all. Knowing there is a large faction of pattern flyers that value appearance above performance a sTHE dominating criteria kind of disturbs me, as I am not of that mold. I even have local friends
that are this way. But there is hope-we have sold alot of mufflers-barren as they are, and I have zero qualms about people buying the other guy's product based solely on cosmetics-and that is what it is. Anyone looking at the product based on price, weight and performance would not make such a choice. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>We realize the gear must look decent, the muffler's appearance is a choice we made based on our priorities, knowing there was to be some personal rejection, and that is okay. On landing gear...no matter what, feel free to paint them!</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Signed</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>AeroSlave Dude </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>At my real job...I better do some real work!<BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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<TD><FONT size=3>Gray,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> I will tell you this:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>I use your pipes primarily due to the weight and performance advantages. However, I know of a few instances where I've recommended them to others, only to have the guy tell me that it was so ugly (the pipe) when he got it that he decided to sell it and use something else. I guess it's a matter of personal preference but that's something to keep in mind.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/16/09, Gray E Fowler <I><gfowler@raytheon.com></I></B> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>From: Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business<BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 4:57 PM<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>If "swept" gear are preferred for the appearance, and
impact form fit and function, that is, there is a performace trade off to look cool, then all who prioitize in such a manner will be unhappy with a gear set if we make it. My priorties going forward will be:</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>1. Performance =stiffness, weight, twist- balanced by</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>2. Cost= material used, labor and cycle time</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>3. Cosmetics= need to look good BUT it is #3</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>If Cost were no issue We could make a gorgeous set of ultimate performing gear, but cost is a large issue and if AeroSlave does not follow through it will be because of cost. We must be able to cover our non reccurring costs of engineering and especially molds which are very expensive. I am always a bit hesitant with the pattern crowd and the need
for the plane's components to be prettier than the pilot or even his wife! I understand paint finish and such but making a landing gear perfectly gorgeous when scutinized up close may add $25 per set. Some will say this is a requirement, some will not. This is what I am trying to figure out at the moment. Lance and I have a big handle on the technical aspects, but things like sweep, finish etc can kill this (from a business apsect) before we get off the ground. Swept gear will require more molds =$$$. Almost everyone cuts a single gear into a left and a right. </FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I do find all this input interesting, but Lance and I will have to figure out how to proceed. This feedback about stiffness, bouncing, toe in etc is great. We have prototypes performing very well, but now we need to productionize the design. </FONT><FONT size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray
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new set and there’s not much you can do with the other half, unless you have a habit of dorking gear. The swept look is most definitely nicer. I’d go with what you think will sell the best, based on sex appeal, and will be structurally sound. I wouldn’t worry about giving the multiple gear dorkers the ability to use either half on either side. Besides, multiple gear dorkers will help keep you in business. </FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=#004080 size=2>J</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Keith <BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:57 PM<B><BR>To:</B> General pattern discussion<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR><BR>Anthony</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR><BR>What did you think about the ES gear twist? That is the wheel going toe in- toe out hitting small bumps. ES had nothing but zero degree fibers. That is the one design issue I am conteplating at the moment. <BR><BR>Also considering that all new planes are widebody that is what needs to be addressed..BUT having a 1 continuous gear will be more weight. I am thinking it is better to split the gear for a weight savings. If we make two pieces, and either piece can be a left or a right, then a broken gear is only on one side. Any advantage to that?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT
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</DIV><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><BR><BR>From: tony@radiosouthrc.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:23 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR><BR>Thanks, Jim. Those are $112.00 I think… about double that of the Bolly…. Not sure how that will go….. but if there are no other choices…</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Tony Stillman, President</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Radio South, Inc.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>139 Altama Connector, Box 322</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Brunswick, GA 31525</FONT><FONT face="Times New
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</DIV><BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B><BR><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:52 PM<B><BR>To:</B> General pattern discussion<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Tony,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=#004080 size=2><BR>Luiz at Net Box Hobby carrys the CA carbon gear.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#004080 size=2><BR>Thanks,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#004080 size=2><BR>Jim</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tony<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:36 PM<B><BR>To:</B> 'General pattern discussion'<B><BR>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] BOLLY out of business</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>I just received conformation that BOLLY has gone out of business. Unfortunately, this is a major supplier of CF landing gear and wheel pants. I have been awaiting a shipment of several items, and now it does not look like that will happen. I am working now to determine if there are any gear/wheel pants available. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>The really bad thing is that I am not sure what options we have left, other than going with a kit/arf manufacturer’s gear. Ed Skorpa dropped his gear last year…</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
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