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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Good points, but no extensions involved. The 84/86 were
fine with the 9Z, but the 86 didn't like the 14MZ. Used / new 86's behaved the
same in a couple of different airplanes. Likewise, the 84's were fine in various
airplanes with the 14 (as are the Futaba servos mentioned).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 09, 2009 9:06
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 8611 on
rudder</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A possible cause for 8611 oscillation could also
be wire gauge if on a long extension. It's got a more aggressive current
pulse than the 8411 and that could be enough to set off an oscillation if the
wires are a little on the light side, or if there is a bad connector crimp -
anything that might be driving up connection resistance could be a factor. If
already using 22 AWG, disregard my comment. It would be interesting to
know what the 14MZ refresh rate is though.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ejhaury@comcast.net href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 09, 2009 9:56
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 8611 on
rudder</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I agree with Dave. Also, the 8411 works fine with the
14MZ whereas the 8611 is prone to oscillation (suspect a mismatch with the
14MZ refresh rate). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> OTOH, the 9155, BLS351, & 9156 (in order of
power) Futaba servos all work well on the rudder @ 6v. I've also noted
a different "feel" with the brushless servos that, I suspect, is a result of
motor rotor mass. While the total transit time of a brushless & coreless
servo may be the same, the brushless seems to start slower which seems to
result in a bit smoother feel. I also don't see any benefit to torque
above 200 oz - in, but this may vary with airplane design.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">Dave</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 09, 2009 8:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 8611
on rudder</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I prefer the
lighter weight, tighter geartrain, and more aggressive center of the
8411sa. I’ve not found the added torque of the 8611
necessary.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If oscillation is
a problem with the 8411sa, the 8611 may fix this – but the center will not
be as aggressive (but it may not be a big enough difference to notice
depending on the specific plane and specific linkage
system).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Alt<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, January 09, 2009 2:45
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] 8611 on
rudder</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm interested in feedback
from those who are using the 8611 or 8611A on a 2M rudder. Is that
extra torque as compared to an 8411 class servo really buying you
anything? I'm always reluctant to go to a metal gear servo, although the
8611 is pretty low on slop as MG servos
go.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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