<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16788" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chuck, Jim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The maneuver under consideration is the 1/2 Reverse
Cuban, not the Cuban and the question that Jim seems to be wrestling with is the
end point of the maneuver. Aresti drawings of all maneuvers are drawn with a
circle on the line of flight indicating the starting point of the maneuver
and a vertical bar indicating the ending point of the maneuver. If you look at
RCA-09 in the rulebook you will find an Aresti outline of the Sportsman
sequence. You will also note that the 1/2 Reverse Cuban displays the end point
of the maneuver as being in line with the entry point ( minus the straight entry
line ). The originator of the drawing appears to have gotten the Aresti's
correct, but has been remiss in displaying the exit lines on most
maneuvers. If the maneuver was complete when the 5/8 looping segment was
complete then the vertical Aresti END BAR would have occurred at
that point. All the Aresti figures I can find display all turn-around
maneuvers as having their end-points coincidental with their starting
points.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As pointed out by Vicente in RCA-19 there is a
requirement for all maneuvers to start and end with a straight horizontal line.
In the absence of a line, in either case, there is a 2 point deduction. While
it's true that the length is not delineated, that wasn't always the case.
Just another example of the dillution of long established protocols by well
meaning individuals intent on making things better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The judging committee has informed me on more than
one occasion that "ARESTI TAKES PRECEDENCE !!!" I would counter, "the
implementation of the axiom should be paramount !"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cahochhalter@yahoo.com href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">Charles
Hochhalter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 1:01
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New
Year</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top>
<DIV>George,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am going to have to agree with Jim on this one, the maneuver is
complete in regards to the cuban eight when the plane returns to level
flight. There is no line segment required to complete the
maneuver.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chuck<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 1/5/09, J N Hiller <I><<A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
J N Hiller <<A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Monday,
January 5, 2009, 2:28 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1643954938>
<STYLE>UNKNOWN {
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; panose-1: 2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4
}
#yiv1643954938 #yiv1643954938 P.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 LI.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 DIV.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 P.MsoNormalIndent {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 LI.MsoNormalIndent {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 DIV.MsoNormalIndent {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 A:link {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
#yiv1643954938 SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
#yiv1643954938 A:visited {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
#yiv1643954938 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
#yiv1643954938 P.MsoAutoSig {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 LI.MsoAutoSig {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 DIV.MsoAutoSig {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 P {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
#yiv1643954938 SPAN.EmailStyle20 {
COLOR: navy
}
#yiv1643954938 SPAN.EmailStyle21 {
COLOR: #993366
}
#yiv1643954938 SPAN.EmailStyle22 {
COLOR: #003300
}
#yiv1643954938 SPAN.EmailStyle23 {
COLOR: #003300
}
UNKNOWN {
MARGIN: 1in 1.25in
}
#yiv1643954938 DIV.Section1 {
}
</STYLE>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">George I'm
back.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was hoping someone would
advance the discussion regarding the finish point of the reverse cuban
eight being equal to it's start. Since no one has I can't sit back and
watch. Sorry but I disagree. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Somebody please correct me
if I am wrong but as I remember from previous judging seminars 'all
maneuvers start from and finish with straight and level flight'
(upright or inverted). This leads me to believe maneuvers start and
stop when they deviate from S&L flight in either roll or pitch and
do not include either a lead in or exit line
segment.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As you know, Aresti
figures are a universal / international language used by IAC
competitors. They are often displayed on their instrument panels as a
sequence quick reference guide. If we were to try to fly each figure
as drawn most turnarounds would need an altitude change with some
having strange angles. If all turnaround maneuvers finished or started
with their widest part, either entering or exiting something like the
reverse humpty which is 3 radiuses wide, if flown on line, would need
to include an exit line equal to 2 radiuses in length. I don't think
so!</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The attached word document
contains figure descriptions from the IAC and AMA web sites. They all
describe the maneuver as starting or ending with the looping segments
with no mention of a lead-in or exit line. It appears to me that the
Aresti drawings are for reference only and not to be used as a
required flight path.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I expect this will come up
in our judging seminar and I will fly and judge it however Gary
says.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle22><FONT face=Arial
color=#003300 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>J N
Hiller<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday,
January 02, 2009 10:30 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year</SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">George don't worry about
me being ostracized I spent the bulk of my working life pointing out
details to coworkers, managers and consultants who were generally
unaware or disinterested. The consultants were fun, it didn't take
long to overload them and I outlasted most of the managers.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The devil is always in a
seemingly unending string of details. During my years in management,
writing 'How It Works' documents filled with detail, I found most
folks were overwhelmed if exposed to all of it but it was necessary
reference material. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Most management meetings
were filled with discussions exposing details and the relative
importance to the individuals concerned. It was always enlightening.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I guess what I am trying
to say is that highly detailed rule books like highly detailed SOP
manuals can become so overwhelming that they become dust collectors.
Kind of like the snap roll discussions where too much equals nothing.
Yes it's time to dump a lot of old e-mail. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm one of those strange
individuals that fly pattern or IMAC for the challenge and
self-satisfaction and yes I judge my flying but I don't question the
scores awarded. We all see it a little differently and there is always
room for improvement but before the NSRCA judging clarification
guidelines and training, score sheets could be 'interesting'.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway thanks for
enlightening me regarding the finishing point of the half reverse
cuban. I thought the maneuver separation line started upon completion
of the partial loop. Something else to watch for when judging!
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes I read all your
postings and responses.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>george w.
kennie<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday,
January 02, 2009 6:50 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'M A NOBODY
!!!!!!!!!!!! If you fall into the trap of taking anything
I say as Gospel you may be opening yourself up to opposition and
ostricism, so be forewarned.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My reason
for dealing with the clover was to establish some sense of what size
to make the loops. As you can see, when you clearly understand the
geometry, the required size becomes a dictate. It's
all in the details, Jim. Some people feel that I'm over detail
oriented, but unless you understand the details you can't effectively
perform OR judge the maneuver accurately. I inadvertently
abdicated my own mantra by loosely referring to the looping portion of
the clover as loops, when they're 3/4 loops. My bad. You sound
like you have a good handle on the clover. I would add that you
further concentrate on making sure the vertical up and down lines are
dead-on superimpositionally.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also agree
with the floor to ceiling approach as I'm constantly telling new guys
that I work with to "make it bigger." Adding to that the
requirement to maintain maneuver to maneuver relative size
relationships, which addresses your question regarding the Sportsman's
Cobra. Ya can't have a mini-Reverse and a gigandi Cobra. I'm
glad you referenced that problem as it's a prime example of what I was
talking about in my discussion on "maneuver end-points." I think
I remember a lot of agreement in previous discussions about the
problem resulting in the conclusion that maneuver # 3 and # 8 needed
to be switched to alleviate the cramping issue. I even thought this to
be a viable solution at the time, that is, 'til you brought it
up and then I realized that I was missing my own
point. There is no size difference between the 1/2 Cuban and the
1/2 Reverse Cuban. That Reverse doesn't end until you get all the way
back to the beginning of the ENTRY line. CHECK THE ARESTI
! So, you see there is no advantage either way. What was
probably needed was something like a Humpty.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regarding
the roll rate issue. I'm glad that Matt referenced that as I was going
to offer the three rolls in 5 seconds, but refrained as it's too
vague and would be quickly challenged. The 3 second rule on the
Slow is a minimum value with no maximum indicated. It should be pretty
obvious that there should be a visually discernable differential
between the two and becomes somewhat subjective. This 1.67 second
interval for the standard roll being established as a maximum value
would quickly come under attack I'm sure. I don't know how the
legislative process could be achieved on that one.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My feeling,
and it's only a feeling on the Cuban with 2 of 4 is similar
to my stand on the triangle with the roll across the top i.e.
presentable centering. I like to see a clearly defined line
before and after the rolling element and would prefer to see the roll
consume less of the overall downline area than the two straight-line
segments, but that's just ME. I confess that I would not
like to see a standard rate that's so fast that I can't keep up to the
required corrections.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'd also
like to thank you for your feedback. I wasn't sure anyone would
read the whole diatribe.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Georgie
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><PRE>_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing
list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><!-- SPAMfighter Signature --><br><hr>I am using the Free version of <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len">SPAMfighter</a><br />We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam.<br />SPAMfighter has removed 24309 of my spam emails to date.<br />The Professional version does not have this message<br /></BODY></HTML>