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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Don,
George I am back. While shoveling snow I recalled a question I had last fall regarding
point rolls such as the Half Cuban with 2 of 2 (09-masters #5) down. Although
not specified should the separation line between the rolling elements be equal
to the preceding and following line lengths. I am wondering if it presents
better with equal lengths or say, 1/2 as long as the leading and following line
segments?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Also Don I
don't understand what you mean by "</span></font></span><font size=2
color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All real clover
leafs I’ve seen have scalloped lines and are not exactly loops"</span></font><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Because of
our view from the ground the looping elements would not appear to be round or
of constant radius. I had a similar perspective problem with the Hour Glass 45
degree lines not appearing to be 45 degrees or equal in length, top v/s bottom
half. These are both very high center maneuvers with a significant angle of
sight change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I enjoy
these discussions. It helps me understand how these maneuvers should be
presented.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am anxiously
looking forward to the judging seminar.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Don Ramsey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 01, 2009
12:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Happy New Year</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Georgie,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Here’s my
take:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I don’t want to debate the 4 point
roll.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Earl Haury explains that
best and concludes it is the center of inverted flight.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is not a question in AMA as the rulebook
says the center is the center of inverted/upright flight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>As for the P-09.1 maneuver, the
interpretation was published by the judging committee and posted on the
website.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This was confirmed with
Bob Skinner of the FAI.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Nuf said.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>On the half clover:<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>you can argue that the rules say all
rolls on a line are on the middle of the line.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>But…<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Maybe this
is something the judging committee should discuss.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The definition of a maneuver always
takes presidence over the name.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>The name is just the best short description of the geometry.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>All real clover leafs I’ve seen have
scalloped lines and are not exactly loops.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>But what’s in a name.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>As I see it, anything that’s not in the
rulebook is at the discretion of the pilot.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Roll rate are not defined except in slow rolls.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As per your definition of a standard
roll (which I notice you did not define) can it be of duration 1/10 second, can
it be 2.99 seconds or can it be 4.5 seconds?<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>I don’t remember seeing a standard roll duration defined in
the regs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I think its pilot’s
discretion.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The slow roll of
course is not pilot’s discretion and must be a minimum of 3 seconds duration
but can it be slower than a standard roll or are you just caught up in the
name.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I remember the reverse Cuban Eight.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It was preceded by a half square on
corner.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Most people flew the half
square with poor geometry causing a problem on the eight.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Wind was another problem but the Eight
could be done with an entry line.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Compacted maneuvers are a problem but most can be done with proper
management.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hope you don’t downgrade for a change in
altitude on TA maneuvers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>It all
boils down to judges making interpretations that are not in the regs and
applying those interpretations for downgrades.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Of course, this causes major problems.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The judging classes are to try to
prevent this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Don<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>george w. kennie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 01, 2009
12:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] Happy
New Year</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>To all you guys who monitor this list, I not
only want to wish you all a wonderful New Year, but I wish to convey to each
how this terrific interaction that we enjoy on this medium has made my life far
more interesting and fulfilled and rewarding because of your participation in
the process. We may not all share the same viewpoints, but the exposure to
various understandings is always enlightening and of value.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>This may not be your experience and I can
respect that, so you may not be interested in what follows and that's O.K., but
I kinda made a promise to Tom Miller at last years Nats that I would attempt to
address a couple of issues that came up during a somewhat passionate discussion
that took place in the Gazebo on Sunday evening regarding a couple of rules
interpretations. Please understand that the viewpoints expressed here by me are
purely my opinions and the reasoning behind those conclusions and any
corrections to my erroneous offerings will be welcomed. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>The first point that was put forth by my worthy
adversary was in regard to Hesitation Rolls. In his understanding, he
submitted that a point in a point roll included the hesitation and
therefore the first maneuver in P-09, the Double Immelman with 2 of 4
points first, must be flown with a space after the second point in order to
fulfill the requirement of his interpretation of the maneuver.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>This is in total opposition to what the rulebook
states. I'm here to tell you that the POINT and the HESITATION are TWO
separate and distinct entities. How do I know that? Think about it for a
second. What do you do in a verticle up-line with 2 of 4? Do you include the
hesitation portion of the roll in the line? If you did and you treated this as ONE
element and you centered that element in the line, then the roll portion would
occur significantly off center toward the bottom of the line ! </span></font><font
color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>This is further supported by the rulebook
in 5B.4.3.7. where it states, "the half roll, snap roll,
POINT ROLL, or full roll should be performed IMMEDIATELY after or before
the half loop as required by the particular maneuver. A VISIBLE LINE IN BETWEEN
THE TWO COMPONENTS MUST DOWNGRADE THE MANEUVER BY 2 POINTS. This action can
only occur if the POINT and the HESITATION are treated as two
separate and distinct elements.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>This error in thinking extended to his proposal
that the center of a 4 point roll was NOT the center of the inverted portion of
the roll, but the beginning of the third point. If you are tempted to agree
with this proposal I would recommend that you draw out the maneuver
displaying all of the individual elements inclucing the entry and exit lines,
assigning similar inch values to each element and you will quickly see that the
center is indeed the center of the inverted portion of the roll.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>All this stuff came from a guy who was a former
World Champion and was agreed to by another top 5 calibre individual who
was in attendance at this small gathering and when I attempted to offer a
different viewpoint I came under a vehement verbal attack.What I had further
difficulty with was the fact that he was able to convince the head of the
judging committee that he was right and the ruling went in his favor to the
degree that it was announced at the pilot's meeting that the maneuver would be
flown with the hesitation before the commencement of the loop. On the first day
of competition he himself flew the maneuver WITHOUT the hesitation. I couldn't
help wondering to myself if he did it all in an effort to sabotage the
competition. My other conclusion has to be, " just because you possess
fabulous flying skills (and this guy really IS fabulous, I thought he won the
last round of F ) doesn't mean you can read English and understand what is
being inferred." As you can tell, I'm sure, .....I'm
doing a little venting here. I'm too easily frustrated. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>O.K. ...........next item. Half Clover
! A couple of years before this, the same individual raised
some questions regarding the clover execution. I had been doing this maneuver
incorrectly in my practice sessions and his questions, were valuable to me
because they really made me think ! When I expressed my opinions
regarding proper execution of this maneuver to ANOTHER top flyer I was
informed that my basis was faulty. In subsequent thinking sessions I haven't
been able to reverse my conclusions. My contention is that this is indeed a
HALF clover. Why would it be otherwise? Some individuals in the judging
fraternity tell me " You're getting too caught up in the NAME of the
maneuver." Well why did they give it that name if that's not what it
is. </span></font><font color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>O.K., It <u> IS</u> one half of
a clover. Therefore the correct way to perform the figure is to visualize
a FULL clover in your mind and then perform the top two loops relative to those
proportions ( if it's upright ). If there's a roll on the upline, then the
point of the roll should occur at a point correspondent with altitudinal point
of intersection between the upper and imaginary lower loops. Now what I had
been doing wrong was to do two loops at the top of a long vertical up-line that
were sized way too small for what a full clover should have looked like, had
one been built on my baseline, and the loops were significantly above the
rollpoint. Make 'em bigger guys and bottom out on the center of the roll and it
will score big. </span></font><font color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>Next: Maneuver end points. Refer to your
Aresti drawings and look for that vertical bar that indicates the correct
end-point of questionable maneuvers. A couple of years ago there was a Reverse
Cuban from the top that could not be completed before center far enough to
allow an exit line to be inserted before the initiation of the subsequent
maneuver. Quique asked in the judging class if he could start the next
maneuver before center because it had it's own problems. After class I checked
the Aresti and informed him of the problem created by the sequence originator
not allowing for the correct ending point of the Cuban. He was grateful for the
explanation and I was too as I had not contemplated the discrepancy before
either. All sequence originators need to be mindful of all maneuver endpoints
when trying to achieve a free -flowing schedule.</span></font><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>You wont find this one in the book, but it's a
pet peeve of mine and there are a lot of people that feel otherwise. SLOW
ROLL vs. ROLL ! There are multiple
descriptors explaining the correct execution of rolls whether they be normal
speed rolls or slow rolls. Maneuvers requiring slow rolls distinctly
specify that the roll being called for needs to exceed a 3 second
duration. THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC REQUEST ! In the absense of
this request it is my opinion that a normal speed roll is to be executed and
should be required. A while back we had a Triangle with a roll across the
top. It did not say "ALL ACROSS" the top nor did it say "at the
pilot's discretion." It could be deduced, by the judge, that if you
do a slow roll across the top that you don't want him to see your inability to
properly center the normal speed roll and this is your way of snow-balling
him. Like I say, NOT IN THE BOOK, but I read
English ! Sorry.</span></font><font color=black><span
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>One more: Turn Around altitude
change. Jim Woodward will tell you what a stickler I am for
BASELINE, BASELINE, BASELINE !!!!!!!!!!!!! You hear everyone
stating the fact that it's O.K. to enter a T.A. maneuver at one altitude and
exit at another without penalty. Well I don't know how or when this one
got so discombobulated.</span></font><font color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:black'>Originally the intent of this rule was to
accommodate an execution infraction and was assigned a penalty to be assessed
to either the current maneuver or the subsequent maneuver. For some
reason guys started reading this rule to mean "it's O.K. to change
altitude on T.A. maneuvers without reading the penalty part and with subsequent
re-prints of the rule book that part was dropped. I hate when that happens
!!!!!!!!!!!! </span></font><font color=black><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:
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having an O.K. day and offer it up for your perusal. Just don't
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