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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'M A NOBODY !!!!!!!!!!!! If you fall
into the trap of taking anything I say as Gospel you may be opening yourself up
to opposition and ostricism, so be forewarned.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My reason for dealing with the clover was to
establish some sense of what size to make the loops. As you can see, when you
clearly understand the geometry, the required size becomes a
dictate. It's all in the details, Jim. Some people feel that
I'm over detail oriented, but unless you understand the details you can't
effectively perform OR judge the maneuver accurately. I inadvertently
abdicated my own mantra by loosely referring to the looping portion of the
clover as loops, when they're 3/4 loops. My bad. You sound like you
have a good handle on the clover. I would add that you further concentrate
on making sure the vertical up and down lines are dead-on
superimpositionally.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also agree with the floor to ceiling approach as
I'm constantly telling new guys that I work with to "make it bigger."
Adding to that the requirement to maintain maneuver to maneuver relative size
relationships, which addresses your question regarding the Sportsman's
Cobra. Ya can't have a mini-Reverse and a gigandi Cobra. I'm glad you
referenced that problem as it's a prime example of what I was talking about in
my discussion on "maneuver end-points." I think I remember a lot of
agreement in previous discussions about the problem resulting in the conclusion
that maneuver # 3 and # 8 needed to be switched to alleviate the cramping issue.
I even thought this to be a viable solution at the time, that is, 'til you
brought it up and then I realized that I was missing my own
point. There is no size difference between the 1/2 Cuban and the 1/2
Reverse Cuban. That Reverse doesn't end until you get all the way back to the
beginning of the ENTRY line. CHECK THE ARESTI ! So, you see
there is no advantage either way. What was probably needed was something like a
Humpty.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding the roll rate issue. I'm glad that Matt
referenced that as I was going to offer the three rolls in 5 seconds, but
refrained as it's too vague and would be quickly challenged. The 3 second
rule on the Slow is a minimum value with no maximum indicated. It should be
pretty obvious that there should be a visually discernable differential between
the two and becomes somewhat subjective. This 1.67 second interval for the
standard roll being established as a maximum value would quickly come under
attack I'm sure. I don't know how the legislative process could be achieved on
that one.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My feeling, and it's only a feeling on
the Cuban with 2 of 4 is similar to my stand on the triangle with the roll
across the top i.e. presentable centering. I like to see a clearly
defined line before and after the rolling element and would prefer to see the
roll consume less of the overall downline area than the two straight-line
segments, but that's just ME. I confess that I would not like to see a
standard rate that's so fast that I can't keep up to the required
corrections.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd also like to thank you for your feedback.
I wasn't sure anyone would read the whole diatribe.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jnhiller@earthlink.net href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N
Hiller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New
Year</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Hi
George this is Jim Hiller. Thank you for bringing these issues to my
attention. OH happy New Year to you as well. I am waiting for it to stop
snowing so I can get my daily exercise. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I
don't fly FAI but I am called on occasionally to judge it. Although not on of
my favorite activities I do try to get it right and a consensuses of is
necessary or we are back to local judging rules
interpretation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">A
agree with you on the hesitation rolls. I believe that a 2 of 2 or 2 of 4 roll
consists of three elements not four (1/4 roll, line, 1/4 roll) wherever it is
done rather it is in a combination maneuver or not. It's been a while since I
looked at the rules but when a point roll is combined with a snap or aileron
roll the two need to be together without a noticeable line between
them.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I
really appreciate the enlightenment regarding the half clover, which I now
need to fly. Great, center the horizontal crossover on the vertical 2 of 4 up
and half roll down. In contrast to the above the rolling elements need to be
centered on a line requiring a discernable line before and after of equal
length, the length of which will need to equal two radiuses (1/2 height). The
size of this first master's class maneuver will establish the floor and
ceiling lines. I expect this will be addressed in the judging seminar this
spring. In any case it gives me something to strive
for.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The
sequence layout and turnaround altitude change kind of run to gather. In
helping a new pattern flier through the sportsman sequence there was a
consistent problem centering the Cobra after the Half Cuban Eight. Both of
these maneuvers are sized 'floor to ceiling' (best presentation) a lot of
horizontal length is needed placing the airplane beyond a Sportsman's
visibility / ability limit. Re-enter the box high and flying a small radius
Cuban, a low exit exiting resulted due to the '45 line, half roll, 45 line'
length but it finished closer to the box end allowing a less rushed entry into
the Cobra. Should this altitude allowance be continued and or used for
convenience? I don't know! If the Cobra had been preceded with a Half Reverse
Cuban there would have been plenty of room to enter a nice size
Cobra.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Roll
rates! I too am bugged by roll rates especially slow roll rates used in
hesitation rolls, as if the pilot is sneaking up on the point rather than
hitting it, often without a discernible hesitation between them. As for slow
v/s aileron rolls, the 3-second rule may not be very appropriate in turnaround
style aerobatic presentation. For best presentation the line length consumed
would be a better measure, such as 1/2 box width for a slow roll and maybe 1/8
box width for an aileron roll. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Just
another opinion!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>george w. kennie<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:40
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To all
you guys who monitor this list, I not only want to wish you all a wonderful
New Year, but I wish to convey to each how this terrific interaction that we
enjoy on this medium has made my life far more interesting and fulfilled and
rewarding because of your participation in the process. We may not all share
the same viewpoints, but the exposure to various understandings is always
enlightening and of value.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This
may not be your experience and I can respect that, so you may not be
interested in what follows and that's O.K., but I kinda made a promise to Tom
Miller at last years Nats that I would attempt to address a couple of issues
that came up during a somewhat passionate discussion that took place in the
Gazebo on Sunday evening regarding a couple of rules interpretations. Please
understand that the viewpoints expressed here by me are purely my opinions and
the reasoning behind those conclusions and any corrections to my
erroneous offerings will be welcomed. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
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color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
first point that was put forth by my worthy adversary was in regard to
Hesitation Rolls. In his understanding, he submitted that a point in a
point roll included the hesitation and therefore the first maneuver in P-09,
the Double Immelman with 2 of 4 points first, must be flown with a
space after the second point in order to fulfill the requirement of his
interpretation of the maneuver.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is
in total opposition to what the rulebook states. I'm here to tell you that the
POINT and the HESITATION are TWO separate and distinct entities. How do I
know that? Think about it for a second. What do you do in a verticle up-line
with 2 of 4? Do you include the hesitation portion of the roll in the line? If
you did and you treated this as ONE element and you centered that element
in the line, then the roll portion would occur significantly off center toward
the bottom of the line ! </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is
further supported by the rulebook in 5B.4.3.7. where it states, "the
half roll, snap roll, POINT ROLL, or full roll should be performed
IMMEDIATELY after or before the half loop as required by the particular
maneuver. A VISIBLE LINE IN BETWEEN THE TWO COMPONENTS MUST DOWNGRADE THE
MANEUVER BY 2 POINTS. This action can only occur if the POINT and the
HESITATION are treated as two separate and distinct
elements.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This
error in thinking extended to his proposal that the center of a 4 point roll
was NOT the center of the inverted portion of the roll, but the
beginning of the third point. If you are tempted to agree with this
proposal I would recommend that you draw out the maneuver displaying all
of the individual elements inclucing the entry and exit lines, assigning
similar inch values to each element and you will quickly see that the center
is indeed the center of the inverted portion of the roll.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All
this stuff came from a guy who was a former World Champion and was agreed
to by another top 5 calibre individual who was in attendance at this small
gathering and when I attempted to offer a different viewpoint I came
under a vehement verbal attack.What I had further difficulty with was the fact
that he was able to convince the head of the judging committee that he was
right and the ruling went in his favor to the degree that it was announced at
the pilot's meeting that the maneuver would be flown with the hesitation
before the commencement of the loop. On the first day of competition he
himself flew the maneuver WITHOUT the hesitation. I couldn't help wondering to
myself if he did it all in an effort to sabotage the competition. My
other conclusion has to be, " just because you possess fabulous flying skills
(and this guy really IS fabulous, I thought he won the last round of F )
doesn't mean you can read English and understand what is being
inferred." As you can tell, I'm sure, .....I'm doing a little
venting here. I'm too easily frustrated. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">O.K.
...........next item. Half Clover ! A couple of years before
this, the same individual raised some questions regarding the clover
execution. I had been doing this maneuver incorrectly in my practice sessions
and his questions, were valuable to me because they really made me think
! When I expressed my opinions regarding proper execution of this
maneuver to ANOTHER top flyer I was informed that my basis was faulty. In
subsequent thinking sessions I haven't been able to reverse my conclusions. My
contention is that this is indeed a HALF clover. Why would it be otherwise?
Some individuals in the judging fraternity tell me " You're getting too caught
up in the NAME of the maneuver." Well why did they give it that name if
that's not what it is. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">O.K.,
It <U> IS</U> one half of a clover. Therefore the
correct way to perform the figure is to visualize a FULL clover in your mind
and then perform the top two loops relative to those proportions ( if it's
upright ). If there's a roll on the upline, then the point of the roll should
occur at a point correspondent with altitudinal point of intersection between
the upper and imaginary lower loops. Now what I had been doing wrong was to do
two loops at the top of a long vertical up-line that were sized way too small
for what a full clover should have looked like, had one been built on my
baseline, and the loops were significantly above the rollpoint. Make 'em
bigger guys and bottom out on the center of the roll and it will score
big. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Next:
Maneuver end points. Refer to your Aresti drawings and look for that
vertical bar that indicates the correct end-point of questionable maneuvers. A
couple of years ago there was a Reverse Cuban from the top that could not be
completed before center far enough to allow an exit line to be inserted before
the initiation of the subsequent maneuver. Quique asked in the judging
class if he could start the next maneuver before center because it had it's
own problems. After class I checked the Aresti and informed him of the problem
created by the sequence originator not allowing for the correct ending point
of the Cuban. He was grateful for the explanation and I was too as I had not
contemplated the discrepancy before either. All sequence originators need to
be mindful of all maneuver endpoints when trying to achieve a
free -flowing schedule.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You
wont find this one in the book, but it's a pet peeve of mine and there are a
lot of people that feel otherwise. SLOW ROLL vs. ROLL
! There are multiple descriptors explaining the
correct execution of rolls whether they be normal speed rolls or slow
rolls. Maneuvers requiring slow rolls distinctly specify that the roll
being called for needs to exceed a 3 second duration. THIS IS A VERY
SPECIFIC REQUEST ! In the absense of this request it is my opinion
that a normal speed roll is to be executed and should be required. A
while back we had a Triangle with a roll across the top. It did not say "ALL
ACROSS" the top nor did it say "at the pilot's discretion." It could be
deduced, by the judge, that if you do a slow roll across the top that you
don't want him to see your inability to properly center the normal speed roll
and this is your way of snow-balling him. Like I
say, NOT IN THE BOOK, but I read English !
Sorry.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One
more: Turn Around altitude change. Jim Woodward will tell you
what a stickler I am for BASELINE, BASELINE, BASELINE
!!!!!!!!!!!!! You hear everyone stating the fact that it's O.K. to
enter a T.A. maneuver at one altitude and exit at another without
penalty. Well I don't know how or when this one got so
discombobulated.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Originally the
intent of this rule was to accommodate an execution infraction and was
assigned a penalty to be assessed to either the current maneuver or the
subsequent maneuver. For some reason guys started reading this rule to
mean "it's O.K. to change altitude on T.A. maneuvers without reading the
penalty part and with subsequent re-prints of the rule book that part was
dropped. I hate when that happens !!!!!!!!!!!! </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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the sound of all this, I really AM having an O.K. day and offer it up for your
perusal. Just don't over-react please.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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