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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dick Hansen and Meryl Hyde along with David Guerin have been the
US main stay. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>International hands down is Hano Pretner and Wolf Gang Matt. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All of these guys were equally important to pattern. If you
would like to go back further please let me know. My long term memory is still
Ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Rusty Fried.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>billglaze<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bob@toprudder.com; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I wasn't interested in pattern at all, until I saw Dick
Hanson's Excell at a meet. The owner said "it's supposed to be an
Extra 300, if you can get past an Extra with retractable gear."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I felt that, if it was possible to fly such a good looking
airplane in pattern and do well, (and it was, in fact, possible to do so) then
I could take an interest. I have always preferred airplanes that look
like airplanes,and not like an Irish Battle Club. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dave Guerin put it very succinctly one time when he
said: "the pattern flyers of today have no idea just how much they
owe Dick Hanson." And, if Dave says it....................... Bill
Glaze<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com"
title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, December
16, 2008 9:09 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
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[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Some planes were breakthroughs just because they broke the
mold. I would put the Astro Hog in that category. Most others took advantage
in advancements in technology. I would put the Bootlegger in that category (tuned
pipe internal instead of hanging outside). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>One plane that has already been mentioned is the Mach
I. This advanced pattern into the ballistic age. The thin wing and really
streamlined fuselage.... beautiful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Someone already mentioned the Focus. What was breakthrough
about that was not the design per se, but the fact that it was an affordable
ARF that could be built easily yet could (and did) win the NATS. Up until
then, you had to pay an arm and a leg for a plane that probably required a
LOT of work to be competitive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Elements of technology that changed pattern: Digital
proportional radios; Retracts; Schneurle ported engines; Tuned pipes;
Four-strokes (ok, that was a rule thing, but still...). Lipo batteries made
electric pattern not only possible, but competitive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think the biggest changes (won't really call it
'breakthrough') have been the rules. Pattern planes could have been
larger than they were had it not been for the limit in engine size. The story
I heard was that Duke Fox designed the .78 for pattern, but then they came up
with a rule to limit the engine size to .61. Then the rule to allow up to
1.20 four-strokes due to the 'power disparity'. (???) Then came turnaround,
and the designs were forced to change. Then the unlimited engine size. I've
always said that a lot of manufacturers shy away from pattern since it has
always been a moving target. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have to think back to Tom Miller's "Reaction"
design. It did not have much impact on the sport, probably because it
was too far ahead of its time. Back when guys were still flying ballistic
planes with 2 strokes, tuned pipes and retracts, here he comes with a fixed
gear, taildragger, fat fuselage (relative to the times), four-stroke plane
and said "this is where we are headed". Give that man a prize!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And the beat goes on....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <i><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></i></b>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:23 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi
Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What
do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
plane.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What
do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the years that have
transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine years, I</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>˘</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>d
say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'> W.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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