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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Absolutely the EMC – by far the biggest
plane for it’s time, and uncanny (to say the least) just how closely critical
dimensions matched subsequent Euro “guppies”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Elan also needs to be mentioned – the
super long tail moment set a new standard for groove in pitch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Miller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 15, 2008
6:51 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hanson's EMC2, the first true production
"guppy". Still have one that I haven't flown since June this
year and still have a kit. </span></font><font size=2 color=black
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:Pattrnflyr@aol.com" title="Pattrnflyr@aol.com">Pattrnflyr@aol.com</a>
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color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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color:black'> Monday, December 15, 2008 6:45 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial id="role_document"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>BTW, I do know that the
Typhoon stuff was Ron Chidgey. He and Hanson had some good stuff at the
beginning of turnaround.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 12/15/2008 4:13:48
P.M. Mountain Standard Time, <a href="mailto:Pattrnflyr@aol.com">Pattrnflyr@aol.com</a>
writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>How about almost anything by Dick
Hanson? I am still flying a Typhoon 909 and I love it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:26:14
P.M. Mountain Standard Time, adriancwong@earthlink.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: billglaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net><br>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM<br>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
><br>
>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and <br>
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog, <br>
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:City>. Good <br>
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare
to <br>
>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said: "I don't know what the
big deal <br>
>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog." Maybe. But, it sure
revolutionized the <br>
>contest world, at the time. If you wanted to win, you had one.
Period.<br>
><br>
>Bill Glaze<br>
>----- Original Message ----- <br>
>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe@aol.com><br>
>To: <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM<br>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.
Everything up <br>
>> until then had been a high wing airplane.<br>
>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski first really high performance pattern
plane<br>
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
one <br>
>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus. The Top
Flight kit, <br>
>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.<br>
>> The <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City>
1-8 series. Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really <br>
>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The <st1:City w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:City>
5, 6, 7 and <br>
>> 8's were flown by most of the great <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> flyers, including Dave Brown,
Mike <br>
>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City> 9 and 10, because <br>
>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
airplanes. <br>
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.<br>
>> I have to agree with the Kaos. It was "everymans"
pattern plane, and <br>
>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.<br>
>><br>
>> Jon Lowe<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash@yahoo.com><br>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm<br>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
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>> Kaos<br>
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>> Bob Kane<br>
>> getterflash@yahoo.com<br>
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><br>
>> To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> Sent: Monda<br>
>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM<br>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
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>> Hi Guys,<br>
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>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
pattern<br>
>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple<br>
>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been<br>
>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a<br>
>> plane.<br>
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>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the<br>
>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine<br>
>> years, Iʼd say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.<br>
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>> Thanks,<br>
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>> Jim W.<br>
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