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Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe. Not sure of the reason for the name.<br>
Didn't Dave have the USA Star. I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props. They were pretty wide. He could make the FAI
pattern large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look
good. I remember him playing during practice making a very small
pattern that still looked good. Strong wind too.<br>
<br>
Stuart C.<br>
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Richard Strickland wrote:
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</style>Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be
quiet along with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern. He had this hand
carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in
those days) on it. Was the talk of the contest that year. Von Linsowe
showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and
around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice flying bipe. Lots
of innovation just before the switch to 2M... and then I took a ten
year sabbatical.....<br>
RS<br>
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800<br>
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their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike<br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
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about the Japanese? Was there a first Japanese plane that started to
shape designs? I remember Jerry talking about Dean’s belt drive plane
one time. That must have been revolutionary for sure. </span></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard
Strickland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>; NSRCA DISCUSSION<br>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Bridi's
UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little b/4..
Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...</span>
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Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800<br>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal">Curare... was this the first
anhedral stab? <br>
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--- On <b>Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></a></i></b>
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Tony <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
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Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM
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<pre>Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe</pre>
<pre>system..</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Tony Stillman, President</pre>
<pre>Radio South, Inc.</pre>
<pre>139 Altama Connector, Box 322</pre>
<pre>Brunswick, GA 31525</pre>
<pre>1-800-962-7802</pre>
<pre><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</a></pre>
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<pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>
<pre>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></pre>
<pre>[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</pre>
<pre><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</a></pre>
<pre>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM</pre>
<pre>To: General pattern discussion</pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
Pattern plane designs</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>
<pre>>From: billglaze <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"><billglaze@bellsouth.net></a></pre>
<pre>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM</pre>
<pre>>To: General pattern discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a></pre>
<pre>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</pre>
<pre>> </pre>
<pre>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and </pre>
<pre>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog</pre>
<pre>Hog, </pre>
<pre>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas. Good </pre>
<pre>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't</pre>
<pre>compare</pre>
<pre>to </pre>
<pre>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said: "I don't know what the</pre>
<pre>big deal </pre>
<pre>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog
Hog." Maybe. But, it sure</pre>
<pre>revolutionized</pre>
<pre>the </pre>
<pre>>contest world, at the time. If you wanted to win, you had one. Period.</pre>
<pre>> </pre>
<pre>>Bill Glaze</pre>
<pre>>----- Original Message ----- </pre>
<pre>>From: "Jon Lowe" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com"><jonlowe@aol.com></a></pre>
<pre>>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a></pre>
<pre>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM</pre>
<pre>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</pre>
<pre>> </pre>
<pre>> </pre>
<pre>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane. Everything</pre>
<pre>up </pre>
<pre>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.</pre>
<pre>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski first really high performance pattern plane</pre>
<pre>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At</pre>
<pre>one </pre>
<pre>>> point, everyone had
built a "modified" Taurus. The Top</pre>
<pre>Flight kit, </pre>
<pre>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.</pre>
<pre>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series. Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it</pre>
<pre>really </pre>
<pre>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7</pre>
<pre>and</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave</pre>
<pre>Brown, Mike</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,</pre>
<pre>because </pre>
<pre>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style</pre>
<pre>airplanes. </pre>
<pre>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.</pre>
<pre>>> I have to agree with the Kaos. It was "everymans" pattern</pre>
<pre>plane, and </pre>
<pre>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.</pre>
<pre>>>
</pre>
<pre>>> Jon Lowe</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> -----Original Message-----</pre>
<pre>>> From: Bob Kane <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com"><getterflash@yahoo.com></a></pre>
<pre>>> To: General pattern discussion</pre>
<pre><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a></pre>
<pre>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm</pre>
<pre>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> Kaos</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> Bob Kane</pre>
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<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>>
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<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> ------------------------------------------------------------</pre>
<pre>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"</pre>
<pre><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a></pre>
<pre>>> To: General pattern discussion</pre>
<pre><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a></pre>
<pre>>> Sent: Monda</pre>
<pre>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM</pre>
<pre>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
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<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> Hi Guys,</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>>
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<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal</pre>
<pre>pattern</pre>
<pre>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple</pre>
<pre>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been</pre>
<pre>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a</pre>
<pre>>> plane.</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the</pre>
<pre>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine</pre>
<pre>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.</pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>>
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<pre>>> </pre>
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<pre>>> </pre>
<pre>>> Thanks,</pre>
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<pre>>> </pre>
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<pre>>> Jim W.</pre>
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