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Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern. He had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it. Was the talk of the contest that year. Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice flying bipe. Lots of innovation just before the switch to 2M... and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....<BR>
RS<BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800<BR>From: mups1953@yahoo.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<BR><BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top> Norm Page's Mach1. They were ballistic for their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <I><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">What about the Japanese? Was there a first Japanese plane that started to shape designs? I remember Jerry talking about Dean’s belt drive plane one time. That must have been revolutionary for sure. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Strickland<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> cahochhalter@yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana', 'sans-serif'">Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little b/4.. Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...</SPAN>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana', 'sans-serif'">Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800<BR>From: cahochhalter@yahoo.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</SPAN>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>Curare... was this the first anhedral stab? <BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <I><tony@radiosouthrc.com></I></B> wrote:
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">From: Tony <tony@radiosouthrc.com><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM
<DIV></DIV><PRE>Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe</PRE><PRE>system..</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>Tony Stillman, President</PRE><PRE>Radio South, Inc.</PRE><PRE>139 Altama Connector, Box 322</PRE><PRE>Brunswick, GA 31525</PRE><PRE>1-800-962-7802</PRE><PRE>www.radiosouthrc.com</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>-----Original Message-----</PRE><PRE>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</PRE><PRE>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of</PRE><PRE>adriancwong@earthlink.net</PRE><PRE>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM</PRE><PRE>To: General pattern discussion</PRE><PRE>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>-----Original Message-----</PRE><PRE>>From: billglaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net></PRE><PRE>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM</PRE><PRE>>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></PRE><PRE>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and </PRE><PRE>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog</PRE><PRE>Hog, </PRE><PRE>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas. Good </PRE><PRE>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't</PRE><PRE>compare</PRE><PRE>to </PRE><PRE>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said: "I don't know what the</PRE><PRE>big deal </PRE><PRE>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog
Hog." Maybe. But, it sure</PRE><PRE>revolutionized</PRE><PRE>the </PRE><PRE>>contest world, at the time. If you wanted to win, you had one. Period.</PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>>Bill Glaze</PRE><PRE>>----- Original Message ----- </PRE><PRE>>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe@aol.com></PRE><PRE>>To: <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></PRE><PRE>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM</PRE><PRE>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane. Everything</PRE><PRE>up </PRE><PRE>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.</PRE><PRE>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski first really high performance pattern plane</PRE><PRE>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At</PRE><PRE>one </PRE><PRE>>> point, everyone had
built a "modified" Taurus. The Top</PRE><PRE>Flight kit, </PRE><PRE>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.</PRE><PRE>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series. Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it</PRE><PRE>really </PRE><PRE>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7</PRE><PRE>and</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave</PRE><PRE>Brown, Mike</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,</PRE><PRE>because </PRE><PRE>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style</PRE><PRE>airplanes. </PRE><PRE>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.</PRE><PRE>>> I have to agree with the Kaos. It was "everymans" pattern</PRE><PRE>plane, and </PRE><PRE>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.</PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> Jon Lowe</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> -----Original Message-----</PRE><PRE>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash@yahoo.com></PRE><PRE>>> To: General pattern discussion</PRE><PRE><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></PRE><PRE>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm</PRE><PRE>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Kaos</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Bob Kane</PRE><PRE>>> getterflash@yahoo.com</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> ------------------------------------------------------------</PRE><PRE>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"</PRE><PRE><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></PRE><PRE>>> To: General pattern discussion</PRE><PRE><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></PRE><PRE>>> Sent: Monda</PRE><PRE>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM</PRE><PRE>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Hi Guys,</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal</PRE><PRE>pattern</PRE><PRE>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple</PRE><PRE>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been</PRE><PRE>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a</PRE><PRE>>> plane.</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the</PRE><PRE>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine</PRE><PRE>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Thanks,</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Jim W.</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> _______________________________________________</PRE><PRE>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</PRE><PRE>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</PRE><PRE>>>
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