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I meant 5350's. It is adequate enough. I'm practicing the 2009 Masters pattern with it.<BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:54:38 -0700<BR>From: brian_w_young@yahoo.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR><BR>
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<DIV>How do the tired 5300's work? Needing someting to put my tired batteries in to finish them off, i geuss the performance is pattern like in the Angel 50?<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Lachowski <jlachow@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Discussion List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 27, 2008 12:32:47 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR></FONT><BR>
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OS 55AX might be a good choice. The setup Matt saw was flying on were tired Duralite 5300 5S packs with around 100 cycles in 60 degree F temps.<BR> <BR>Here is the link for the 50E conversion kit. Not 100% sure this is for all the Sebart 50E planes. By the description it appears to be. <BR> <BR><A href="http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8881" rel=nofollow>http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8881</A><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:54 -0400<BR>From: rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>Was talking with Joe Lochoewski just yesterday about his Angel 50 using a YS63 or Saito 70 in this model. He said that a conversion kit is available for glow. It's a bit large for the 63 in my view (and probably the 70 also). A 2 stroke 45 such as the YS would probably be a better solution but would require a small pipe to get full benefits.</DIV>
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<DIV>Joe's weighs in at around 6 lbs with the epower set-up Stuart describes and it has decent power in moderate wind (yesterday was around 10 mph but gusty) . Expect 5 1/2 - 5 3/4 pounds with the YS 45 2c, or 63 4c. At 300$ it doesn't really break the bank but is a little pricey. In better conditions this would be a really good model more closely working like a 2 meter plane</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: colin chariandy <cchariandy@yahoo.ca><BR>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>; Stuart Chale <schale@optonline.net><BR>Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:03 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Yes, the Angel 50 looks great, I don't fly ePattern so the cost of the packs will hurt.</DIV>
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<DIV>Colin.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/27/08, Stuart Chale <I><<A href="mailto:schale@optonline.net" rel=nofollow>schale@optonline.net</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Stuart Chale <<A href="mailto:schale@optonline.net" rel=nofollow>schale@optonline.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR>To: <A href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca" rel=nofollow>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>, "General pattern discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:56 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=EC_EC_yiv1876212423>I have not flown the vanquish but did see it flown at a contest by an FAI flyer. Very capable for a small plane. Fully able to do the FAI pattern (in proper hands). Certainly not as smooth as a 2M plane but will allow you to get some practice in. If you can budget a little larger plane (still able to fly the pattern at smaller R/C fields, not a park) the Angel S 50 is an awesome plane. Much better than the vanquish IMO. Joe L's setup allows very good performance on 5 cell 5000 packs (half of an electric 2M pack) so new batteries are not required if you fly lectric 2M. The manufacturer calls for 6 cell packs with a lower KV motor. I purchased one for my son to get more into pattern and to have a plane to fly at our alternate field (much tighter space restrictions) when the main field is closed for the colder months. (No weekends Nov and Dec and closed Jan - March). It fits both bills very well.&n bsp; The angel 50 would be very competitive in a contest against standard pattern setups, with it's smaller size only a slight handicap. I did have a problem with he stab incidence with the first one I bought (still flew very well, even with a lot of up elevator trim, see RCU for pictures). After several weeks I am getting a replacement from the importer. (Very understanding on the phone but took a while to send the new plane out.)<BR>Stuart Chale<BR><BR>colin chariandy wrote:
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<DIV>Thanks for the info....that makes the Vanquish a good option.</DIV>
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<DIV>I only fly the Inspire mini (21oz) at the local park. The others are for the flying site.</DIV>
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<DIV>Colin<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN <I><A class=EC_EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:lagrue@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow><lagrue@hotmail.com></A></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: JEREMY CHINN <A class=EC_EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:lagrue@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow><lagrue@hotmail.com></A><BR>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR>To: <A class=EC_EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca" rel=nofollow>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>, "NSRCA Mailing List" <A class=EC_EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A><BR>Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM<BR><BR>
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<FONT face=Helv size=2><FONT face=Helv size=2>Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. <BR> <BR>I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong!<BR> <BR>Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. <BR> <BR>I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. <BR> <BR>I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. <BR></FONT></FONT> <BR>All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... <BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700<BR>From: <A class=EC_EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca" rel=nofollow>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A><BR>To: <A class=EC_EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter days (so some wind will be a factor).</DIV>
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<DIV>I have looked at the Element 30, Aspera, Vanquish and the new Angel 30.</DIV>
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<DIV>The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a "tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice?</DIV>
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<DIV>Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means.</DIV>
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<DIV>Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? </DIV>
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<DIV>I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks much</DIV>
<DIV>Colin.</DIV>
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