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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe I'll just go electric after all.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=troy@troynewman.net href="mailto:troy@troynewman.net">Troy Newman</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:20
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Matt
and others with questions on CDI and lower oil content,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
is a little long but I feel its information that you guys will appreciate and
you should realize where things are in terms of the CDI
system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
engine Ed is talking about is a normal YS 170DZ. I have seen the normal
YS 170DZ fail on 15% oil content. Busted Con Rod. That is why YS recommends
20% oil content.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">There
are no CDI engines available to the public.. The CDI engine is still at least
a year off and there is more testing that is needed. The best and in my
opinion the only fuel to run is Cool Power 30% Heli Performance. The oil
package is better than any fuel on the market. I use only this fuel and have
had extremely impressive results with this fuel and this fuel alone for the
past 5-6 years. Other that seem to have problems are bound and determined to
run other fuels that they “know are better” This is not an advertisement for
Morgan Fuels. It’s a fact of life and my experience with engines that others
have tried XYZ fuel in. Richard and the YS crew have seen the same results.
Morgan has the magic fuel that is very good on these engines. It’s the oil
package 100% proof positive. I have 160DZ’s with over 1000runs that have had
bearings and rings replaced and that is all. There is a reason we run that
fuel. It flat works better than any other on the market. When a guy has a
problem with his engine and you ask what fuel he is running 90% of the time he
is not running the good stuff. I know I spend hrs every week answering emails,
phone calls and helping guys work on their engines even repairing some of them
myself.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
CDI engines do have some new parts in order to allow low oil content.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
low oil content on a non CDI engine that still has the new parts for low oil
makes the engine difficult to tune. The low oil richens the mixture in
effect. So with the CDI you can lean the pump and HS way down in order
to accommodate the low oil content. On a glow plug you can never lean
out the middle without detonating and it’s still way too rich at
idle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Like
I have repeated many times. The CDI system that is being used is in its infant
stages at the moment. One thing that we are finding is while the mixture is
easier to set without having a lean blown up condition from detonation as
there is no detonation. On the other hand it’s tough to get the mixture just
right in the sweet spot. It seems as the oil content is reduced to where I am
running it now (5% oil) the HS needle can get a little touchy in hot weather.
One click either way can mean too lean or too rich. This is likely because the
HS needle is closed down a bunch and is only open 5/8
turns.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Remember
this is testing stuff. This information is being passed along to the
make the products better and improve performance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">You
can’t take the idea of just put it on a spark plug and then use the same
old parts with a new oil content. Yes Spark ignition allows you to change some
things…but you will get into future issues and changes that are being tested
out now. There is a big difference in the way you tune the two engines. Glow
has its methods and Spark acts a little differently. You have to realize that
the people that are currently running the setup went through some growing
pains on figuring it out. We shared this info with each other as we learned
the tricks. This made others that got the new setup right before the NATS like
Brett and Don Sczur successful with it at the NATS.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Quique’s
#1 engine had a failure of the spark plug cap. This was a mechanical part the
spark plug wire that broke. There is a new spark plug cap on that
ignition box and I have flown that exact ignition box since. His #2
engine might just have been a case of not getting the mixture set properly. I
usually get it where I think it needs to be and then fly it. In that first
flight I will tweak the mixture after I land. There have been more than a few
times I have taken off so rich that it won’t work and keeps cooling off and
off until the motor is not making any power at all. Land and lean it down 2
clicks and its perfect. I thought it was perfect from the tach readings and my
“expert” ear. However it was not.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So
I must repeat the standard 170DZ is just like any other YS DZ engine and
should be run accordingly. There are special parts that make it CDI and then
there are even more additional parts that make it LOW oil content
CDI.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">When
the CDI system is released it is likely that it will have the low oil parts
associated with it. To answer your question. No there are not needle bearings
on the connecting rod. However the crank, rod, lifters, other parts are
different than a standard DZ engine to accommodate the low oil content. I know
the parts I converted one of my engines from Stock out of the box production
engine from Central Hobbies to CDI back in January. Then I converted that same
engine to Low oil capability. I have flown that engine since about May this
way. First on normal 30% Cool Power Heli performance Blend…and now on a
Cool Power 30% nitro/ 5% oil blend.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
normal fuel is fine with the low oil parts. This means that YS could start
including low oil parts in production engines before the CDI is released in
order to make a easier change over to CDI with low oil later on. I have
no information about this plan that I can share.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
setup is very cool and works tremendously well. I will not be flying
glow plugs anytime soon for sure. There is also work to be done on the program
inside the little magic box. Just an electronic ignition like off a DA 50 is
not what we are working with. I personally have had 2 different ignition boxes
that have different advance curves in them. If you know the engine you can
tell the difference. There is still plenty of testing to be done. Yes this is
exciting technology and its moving forward very fast at the moment. There is a
reason they call it testing. I would suspect late next year at the very
soonest to have CDI parts available.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">We
need to run the engines on this low oil for a long time in order to find out
what the results are. I have been running this new fuel 5% oil content since
about May. I have not had issues. Some others have gone up to a 10-12% oil
content as they felt the engine worked better for them. Others that are doing
the testing on the new engines are just playing follow the leader as we have
been sharing information. Right before the NATS it was a mad dash to make sure
we all knew what was going on. By next NATS there will be more testing and
guys that were playing follow the setup that works will have tested other
setups. Who knows maybe the 10-12% oil is going to be the ticket in the end
Right now I have about 8 cases of 30% 5% oil though two engines. Even in
100deg AZ temps and its performance has been good. I had some little issues in
June and struggled with it. Those problems were traced down and the solution
proved to be correct. Now it’s testing testing testing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
know for a fact that a normal on glow plug 170DZ will fail on 15% oil in a few
flights. I witnessed it and others experienced the same
thing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
hope this helps answer some questions about the system. It’s just going to
take lots of flights and a few worn out engines to find out the weak links in
the system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Troy
Newman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Team
YS<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org;
adriancwong@earthlink.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie
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<P class=MsoNormal>Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The
ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture
as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to
needle bearings?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt
anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil? It should allow better
gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking
down/seezing<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one
too<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>MattK<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>To:
adriancwong@earthlink.net; General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26
am<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Thanks
to all who responded, very helpful. <BR> <BR>Ed <BR>-----
Original Message ----- From: <<A
href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</A>> <BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <BR>Sent:
Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM <BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS
newbie questions <BR> <BR>>
Ed, <BR>> <BR>>>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and
call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? <BR>> <BR>>
Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 >
header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release >
pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka
> came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all
> depends on which header that you're
using. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>Engine mount: I've heard a
little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey.
What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount
solution? <BR>> <BR>> Budd mount is good, but I've found it a
bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32
on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between
idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less
vibration. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>Fuel: What's the real
deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being
experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the
fuel? <BR>> <BR>> Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli,
or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster
oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low
smoke. <BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>>Maintenance: I'ev
heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off
and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What
about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to
keep this beast going? <BR>> <BR>> YS shipped all engines with
no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first
start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on
a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will
eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to
surge due to air leaks. <BR>> <BR>> Open up the cam cover and
drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the >
cam. <BR>> <BR>> Use either YS or OS F
plug <BR>> <BR>> No after run oil is necessary. After you
finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning
not to fly for over a year. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>Break
In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a
better way? <BR>> <BR>> Just use a slightly smaller diameter
prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for
the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for
break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm
experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM
between 7,600 to 7,800 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - >
since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn >
over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - >
5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to >
prime the engine again after the first flight. <BR>> <BR>>
Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back.
> Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin
for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to
> prevent abrupt stop. <BR>> <BR>> The 170 is pretty much
bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500
flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston
ring. <BR>> <BR>> If you have other question, feel free to
contact me. <BR>> <BR>>
Adrian <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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